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I would like to know if Jews consider the Septuagint Mauscripts to be an accurate rendition of the Tanach.
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Re: I've been doing some study of bblical history and I have a question
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 01:50:20 PM »
THATS THE ONE THAT WAS COMPILED IN EGYPT? IF THATS THE ONE I DON'NT THINK IT USED .Lubab might know
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Re: I've been doing some study of bblical history and I have a question
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »
According to my sources it's the earliest complete manuscript of the tanach that still exists in complete form. It is however in greek not hebrew, according to my sources it was produced so that the romans could understand what the Jewish religion was about. But the earliest complete hebrew manuscript still in existance is about 700 years newer than it, if my sources  are correct.

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 05:31:55 PM »
According to my sources it's the earliest complete manuscript of the tanach that still exists in complete form. It is however in greek not hebrew, according to my sources it was produced so that the romans could understand what the Jewish religion was about. But the earliest complete hebrew manuscript still in existance is about 700 years newer than it, if my sources  are correct.
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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 06:19:26 PM »
I'm just wondering if Jews believe it to be accurate, because I am intending to base a study I'm about to do on it, but I do not wish to do so if Jews think it is inaccurate.

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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 06:58:17 PM »
No, it is not accurate since it is merely a translation based on the account in the Talmud that states that Ptolmy the king (third century BCE) forced the 70 Jewish elders of the Sanhedrin to translate the Bible into Greek.  The Talmud lists identical changes that the all Rabbis purposely made so that Ptolemy wouldn't mock them.  These manuscripts are merely a copy of an unknown version of these translations and most likely a copy of a copy that was copied over many times and has many mistakes at best.  The only original account of the Bible is the Hebrew version we have today since Jewish Law makes the Scribe copy the Bible word for word from an already verified written Torah, and it is checked very closely to be accurate and it is not valid if one letter is different.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 08:22:27 PM »
My sources tell me that it is from the third century BC not AD. Of course they could be completely wrong.

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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 09:45:11 PM »
My sources tell me that it is from the third century B.C.E. not AD. Of course they could be completely wrong.

You are correct.  I made a type error and wrote CE instead of BCE like I thought I wrote.  The Sanhedrin translated the Bible into Greek for Ptolomy in about the third century BCE.
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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 10:24:32 PM »
Thanks for the info jdl4ever, if you know where I could see a list of the intentional errors I would be very grateful, but don't put yourself out.

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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 07:37:02 PM »
The Septuagint is not very reliable.

It actually messes up how many Israelites went down to Eqypt with Jacob.

It says once 70 and once 75.

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Re: I've been doing some study of biblical history and I have a question
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2007, 08:27:56 PM »
Thanks for bringing this subject up ftf. I too have wondered about the accuracy of the Septuagint and the Jewish view of this translation. I even asked Chaim about it on the July 8th Ask JTF program.
I have not had too much luck finding info on the subject from a Jewish perspective. I have found some from the Greek Orthodox perspective because that is the translation we use for our Bible Study. I just can't be sure how historically accurate it is. Well, please post any findings that you might make in the future.
Here is one source that was somewhat helpful, though it is Christian:  www.kalvesmaki.com/LXX/