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A New low for messianics
Sveta:
Wow, regarding the video of Rabbi Froman... it's intense. I could NEVER call Hashem "Allah"- it just does not feel the same at all.
As for Paul. Yes he is the one to blame. The gospel of Matthew was aimed at a Jewish audience and because of it's mistranslations of Jewish scripture that it used to prove itself- it was a failure at converting Jews. Paul on the other hand wanted to start with spreading the words to Jews but he was not successful as he was when he went to the Gentiles. Consequently, during the time of the writing of Matthew and Paul, there was no such teaching of a "trinity"
Binyamin Yisrael:
--- Quote from: IsraeliHeart on May 22, 2013, 12:41:36 AM ---Wow, regarding the video of Rabbi Froman... it's intense. I could NEVER call Hashem "Allah"- it just does not feel the same at all.
As for Paul. Yes he is the one to blame. The gospel of Matthew was aimed at a Jewish audience and because of it's mistranslations of Jewish scripture that it used to prove itself- it was a failure at converting Jews. Paul on the other hand wanted to start with spreading the words to Jews but he was not successful as he was when he went to the Gentiles. Consequently, during the time of the writing of Matthew and Paul, there was no such teaching of a "trinity"
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Paul was the founder of Xtianity. I also heard that he was a rabbi that infiltrated Xtianity to get it to separate from Judaism so it would stop trying to convert Jews. Before Paul, they were similar to the J4J cults of today.
Binyamin Yisrael:
http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/715371/Dr._Shnayer_Leiman/Jewish_Perspectives_on_Early_Christianity_-_Nittel,_the_Ninth_of_Teves_and_Pope_Simon_Peter_-_Cong_Beth_Abraham
Here is a shiur about the infiltration into Christianity. I used to think Paul was evil for starting Christianity, but according to this he is remembered as a tzadik for infiltrating it and stopping them from converting Jews.
Ephraim Ben Noach:
--- Quote from: Binyamin Yisrael on May 22, 2013, 01:14:28 AM ---http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/715371/Dr._Shnayer_Leiman/Jewish_Perspectives_on_Early_Christianity_-_Nittel,_the_Ninth_of_Teves_and_Pope_Simon_Peter_-_Cong_Beth_Abraham
Here is a shiur about the infiltration into Christianity. I used to think Paul was evil for starting Christianity, but according to this he is remembered as a tzadik for infiltrating it and stopping them from converting Jews.
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If this is true... Which it does make sence.
He is not good or a Tzadik and he didn't stop Jews from being converted! What it did was, bring Jewish bloodshed and lead a large population of the world astray and into idol worship... >:(
Tag-MehirTzedek:
If this is true... Which it does make sence.
He is not good or a Tzadik and he didn't stop Jews from being converted! What it did was, bring Jewish bloodshed and lead a large population of the world astray and into idol worship...
Actually the majority of the world was into idol worship even before christianity. I didn't listen to this but I did hear similar thing before and I am aware (although very little) about this.
If it is true (and it is just a theory), it actually pushed away the "reform judaism" if you will of that time. And it did keep many Jews away from it as well by making a clear havdalah or distinction between Judaism and the new cult that sprang out that claimed to follow Judaism.
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