Israel Wants To Put A Kike On Israeli Bank Notes

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Ben-Artzi: Keep 'Assimilator' Off Israeli Money

Tchernichovsky was a great poet, but he was also married to a gentile. He should not be turned into a 'hero,' says well-known lecturer.
 
By David Lev

First Publish: 5/5/2013, 9:21 PM
 
Dr. Hagai Ben-Artzi

Arutz Sheva

Dr. Hagai Ben-Artzi, a Bar Ilan University lecturer and brother in-law of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, slammed the government's plan to issue currency with the likeness of Hebrew poet Shaul Tchernichovsky. Turning Tchernichovsky into a “national icon” was a terrible idea and would set a bad example – because of his longtime marriage to a Christian woman, he explained.

“We cannot turn him into a national symbol, since he disdained such an important component of Jewish identity and intermarried, increasing assimilation,” Ben-Artzi said.

Ben-Artzi stressed that his stance had nothing to do with Tchernichovsky's contributions to Hebrew literature. Many of his works contain important Jewish and Zionistic themes, but when it came to putting him up on a pedestal by including his image on the new currency to be issued by the state, his personal life choices could not be overlooked. “We should, and must, study his poetry,” Ben-Artzi said. “There are many positive things in his poems, and some less positive things. My late father, as a literature teacher, used to teach Tchernichovsky's poems.

“But in this case the poet's personal life becomes an issue, as they seek to turn him into a national symbol but putting his image on currency,” Ben-Artzi said. “Someone who intermarried and assimilated cannot be a national symbol for Israel. It is a blow to the basic ethos of the Jewish people, which has been fighting against assimilation and intermarriage.”

Ben-Artzi compared the issue with that of the struggle by Rabbi Avraham Yitzchak Hacohen Kook in the days before the establishment of the state to block the appointment of Max Nordau as the successor to Theodor Herzl to lead the World Zionist Congress. Nordau was married to a non-Jew who could not be converted.
 

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Bennett: Put Sephardi Heritage on Israel’s Bills

Bennett wants Israeli currency to showcase Sephardi heritage, too.

By Maayana Miskin

First Publish: 4/28/2013, 11:59 AM

Israeli currency (illustrative)

Flash 90
 

The government will vote Sunday on a new series of bills that the Bank of Israel plans to issue. The proposed designs for the bills will be presented to the cabinet.

Among those to be honored on the new bills are Hebrew-language poets Leah Goldberg, Natan Alterman, and Shaul Tchernichovsky.

Minister of Trade and Labor Naftali Bennett has noted that the bills showcase figures of European Jewish (Ashkenazi) heritage, and has called to add bills that celebrate famous personalities of Spanish Jewish (Sephardi) and Middle Eastern Jewish (Mizrachi) descent as well.

“This morning during the cabinet vote I will insist that they also include a Sephardi poet or poetess on the new bills,” Bennett wrote on his Facebook page.

In an individual tribute to Spanish Jewish poetry, Bennett quoted the famous poem by Rabbi Yehuda Halevi:

"My heart is in the east, and I in the uttermost west--

How can I find savour in food? How shall it be sweet to me?
How shall I render my vows and my bonds, while yet

Zion lieth beneath the fetter of Edom, and I in Arab chains?
A light thing would it seem to me to leave all the good things of Spain --

Seeing how precious in mine eyes to behold the dust of the desolate sanctuary."

“This poem was written in the Middle Ages, and expresses the Jews’ eternal longing for the land of Israel,” Bennett said. 

[Israel Chai]

For [censored]'s sake.

[muman613]

Binyamin, I will say it because you may not have been here a few years ago when we had a big debate about the K word.

I am one who things using such a word works against our goal. The K-word is a derogitory word used against all Jews and it is very offensive to some very good Jews... I have had some people I referred to JTF tell me they would never read an antisemitic site like JTF because it uses the K word... I am serious. I know others do not agree with me, but I believe the general consensus is to avoid using it.

[Israel Chai]

It comes from the word "circle" and is a cheap insult directed at all Jews.

[Israel Chai]

Binyamin, I will say it because you may not have been here a few years ago when we had a big debate about the K word.

I am one who things using such a word works against our goal. The K-word is a derogitory word used against all Jews and it is very offensive to some very good Jews... I have had some people I referred to JTF tell me they would never read an antisemitic site like JTF because it uses the K word... I am serious. I know others do not agree with me, but I believe the general consensus is to avoid using it.

I don't have a business contact or family member who I wouldn't get disowned by if I showed them this site. There needs to be a JTF lite with no $%$%W@ [censored].

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Israelis are all kikes

[Binyamin Yisrael]

I've heard Chaim refer to self-hating Jews as kikes.

Blacks call each other the N word as a compliment. It's the same to them as calling each other bros or homies.

JTF uses kike to refer to self-hating Jews. Some also use the N word to refer to bad blacks (Not good ones like Alan Keyes.) or self-hating whites.

[muman613]

I've heard Chaim refer to self-hating Jews as kikes.

Blacks call each other the N word as a compliment. It's the same to them as calling each other bros or homies.

JTF uses kike to refer to self-hating Jews. Some also use the N word to refer to bad blacks (Not good ones like Alan Keyes.) or self-hating whites.

So you want to emulate the blacks... I don't...

Yes, Chaim has said it, and in most cases it is deserved. But it should not become accepted to call someone by that name. Non-Jews and Jew haters just see it and then it becomes acceptable to call all of us by the K word.

I really find the expression degrading... I have had to deck people who called me by such a name, and I would do it again if someone called it to my face...

It is acceptable to my standards to call them selfhating Jews... I really don't know why it is acceptable to Chaim to use such a word when it has been used against ALL Jews. Nobody except those 'in the loop' know that you are only referring to self-hating jews.

PS: Did Rabbi Kahane Z'tl ever refer to jews using this term?

[Zelhar]

I don't think Tchernichovsky was a "kike", unless you want to define every secular Jew as "kike". Bear in mind he died in 1943 in Israel, he was a zionist, he could live in America if he wanted to. He wasn't part of the traitorous insane peacenick organisations like "Brit Shalom" (the predecessor to "peace now" which had been founded by real kikes in 1925), I am not sure if he was a socialist, it doesn't seem like he was.

[Israel Chai]

Israelis are all kikes

[censored] you.

[muman613]

Israelis are all kikes

Working hard on that Ahavat Yisrael mitzvah aren't we?

Some of us need to work on the following commandments:

Leviticus 19

14. You shall not curse a deaf person. You shall not place a stumbling block before a blind person, and you shall fear your God. I am the Lord.
15. You shall commit no injustice in judgment; you shall not favor a poor person or respect a great man; you shall judge your fellow with righteousness.
16. You shall not go around as a gossipmonger amidst your people. You shall not stand by [the shedding of] your fellow's blood. I am the Lord.
17. You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your fellow, but you shall not bear a sin on his account.
18. You shall neither take revenge from nor bear a grudge against the members of your people; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

יח. לֹא תִקֹּם וְלֹא תִטֹּר אֶת בְּנֵי עַמֶּךָ וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֹךָ אֲנִי יְהוָֹה:

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I kinda miss being called a dumb bohemie. .. Anyone?

[Israel Chai]

Working hard on that Ahavat Yisrael mitzvah aren't we?

Some of us need to work on the following commandments:

Leviticus 19

14. You shall not curse a deaf person. You shall not place a stumbling block before a blind person, and you shall fear your God. I am the Lord.
15. You shall commit no injustice in judgment; you shall not favor a poor person or respect a great man; you shall judge your fellow with righteousness.
16. You shall not go around as a gossipmonger amidst your people. You shall not stand by [the shedding of] your fellow's blood. I am the Lord.
17. You shall not hate your brother in your heart. You shall surely rebuke your fellow, but you shall not bear a sin on his account.
18. You shall neither take revenge from nor bear a grudge against the members of your people; you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

יח. לֹא תִקֹּם וְלֹא תִטֹּר אֶת בְּנֵי עַמֶּךָ וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֹךָ אֲנִי יְהוָֹה:

I see your point now bro.

[Israel Chai]

I kinda miss being called a dumb bohemie. .. Anyone?

I had to google this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism

And right at ch'ya.

[Binyamin Yisrael]

So you want to emulate the blacks... I don't...

Blacks use the N word as a compliment. I don't use kike as a compliment. I use it to refer to self-hating Jews and sometimes Nazis.

I use the N word to refer to bad blacks and self-hating whites. I don't use either kike or the N word as a compliment.

If JTF is against using kike, why is it not censored the way the N word is? JTF allows people to say kike and faggot. The N word is not allowed because people would say we're racist against all blacks since blacks view it as an insult when non-blacks use the term.

[muman613]

Blacks use the N word as a compliment. I don't use kike as a compliment. I use it to refer to self-hating Jews and sometimes Nazis.

I use the N word to refer to bad blacks and self-hating whites. I don't use either kike or the N word as a compliment.

If JTF is against using kike, why is it not censored the way the N word is? JTF allows people to say kike and faggot. The N word is not allowed because people would say we're racist against all blacks since blacks view it as an insult when non-blacks use the term.

I am not stating 'JTF policy' just an informal agreement which was made several years ago to avoid using the term. Others agreed with me...

Let me see if I can find those discussions..

Here is the discussion I started in 2009 on the topic...

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,30461.0.html

PS: I still love you and all who use the term, so don't think I am trying to oppose you.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Israelis are all kikes

   your Israeli !

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I don't think Tchernichovsky was a "kike", unless you want to define every secular Jew as "kike". Bear in mind he died in 1943 in Israel, he was a zionist, he could live in America if he wanted to. He wasn't part of the traitorous insane peacenick organisations like "Brit Shalom" (the predecessor to "peace now" which had been founded by real kikes in 1925), I am not sure if he was a socialist, it doesn't seem like he was.

 I don't know who he was, but marrying a shiksa and cutting yourself out of the Jewish people is pretty bad and evil. Not him nor anyone else like that should be made into any role model. The bank notes should have Rabbis like Rav Kook, Rav Kahane perhaps (fine not accepted by "main stream" for now) but at least Rav Kook, the Rambam and others as well. Why they have self-haters? This is why some Haredim and Datim avoid using Israeli currency, they don't want to give recognition and carry the pictures of sick self haters and enemies of the Torah and Am Yisrael.

[muman613]

 I don't know who he was, but marrying a shiksa and cutting yourself out of the Jewish people is pretty bad and evil. Not him nor anyone else like that should be made into any role model. The bank notes should have Rabbis like Rav Kook, Rav Kahane perhaps (fine not accepted by "main stream" for now) but at least Rav Kook, the Rambam and others as well. Why they have self-haters? This is why some Haredim and Datim avoid using Israeli currency, they don't want to give recognition and carry the pictures of sick self haters and enemies of the Torah and Am Yisrael.

I agree that these kinds of secular 'jews' should not be on the currency. But until Moshiach comes I doubt Israeli society will mind too much these personalities.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I had to google this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism

And right at ch'ya.

Nope, wrong one. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia

[muman613]

Nope, wrong one. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia

Are you from the Czech republic? Why would someone call you a Bohem.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Are you from the Czech republic? Why would someone call you a Bohem.

I was just trying to lighten the mood... No! But I grew up in a czech community, a large percentage of my blood is czech, my mothers family came from there in the early 1900's . My family called me that to be funny, we all called each other that... My family still spoke the language.

You knew that? Are you from the Ukraine?

Do you want to see the paperwork from the Austrian Hungry Empire?

[muman613]

I was just trying to lighten the mood... No! But I grew up in a czech community, a large percentage of my blood is czech, my mothers family came from there in the early 1900's . My family called me that to be funny, we all called each other that... My family still spoke the language.

You knew that? Are you from the Ukraine?

Do you want to see the paperwork from the Austrian Hungry Empire?

I was not aware you are descended from Czech's... And yes I am descended from Ukrainian and Polish Jewish families...

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I also used to live in this community... http://m.ncsml.org/Location/Default.aspx Some of my family worked at the museum....