Have Neturei Karta Declared A Terrorist Group

[Dan193]

Think about this, Neturei Karta was being funded by Arafat and Neturei Karta wants Israel destroyed, yet their allowed to live in Israel and Chaim isn't.
THIS IS INSANITY!

[ChabadKahanist]

They reside in Israel and reap her benefits but want to "dismantle"it! Just like the muslims and Palestinians .

Actually they do not take one agorah from the government & they as a matter of fact will not even use Israeli currency & do all their business transactions in American or other foreign currency.

[Zelhar]

Actually they do not take one agorah from the government & they as a matter of fact will not even use Israeli currency & do all their business transactions in American or other foreign currency.

Are you sure they don't receive welfare and health care benefits ? Their institutions perhaps don't receive funds, but on individual basis I am pretty sure they live off of the Israeli tax payers.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Are you sure they don't receive welfare and health care benefits ? Their institutions perhaps don't receive funds, but on individual basis I am pretty sure they live off of the Israeli tax payers.

I agree 100%.  And of course they get garbage collection etc. Not only that but I once read where the satmar school system (a different group but also a. Group which purports to not take money from the govt) through various loopholes did end up getting some money from the govt.

[Israel Chai]

I didn't accuse you of anything.  You failed to understand my comment.   CAIR is a terrorist group, but they will never EVER appear on such a list, even though they were already caught directly aiding hamas.

I always understand everything. Except if it's dumb. My comment was that they are a "terrorist supporting group, like CAIR". When I say "Nazi supporting group", I mean nazi group. And, like the second part of my reason why neutered karta won't be on the list, they should be too.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I always understand everything. Except if it's dumb. My comment was that they are a "terrorist supporting group, like CAIR". When I say "Nazi supporting group", I mean nazi group. And, like the second part of my reason why neutered karta won't be on the list, they should be too.

You're still not getting it.   "Terrorist supporting groups" would merit inclusion on the list based solely on the definition.  The only reason CAIR is NOT on the list is because of political correctness and US govt worship of Muslims which overrides the list definitions.   So other groups which support terrorists could in theory be placed on the list (even though CAIR is not on it).   Enter Naturei Karta.

[Israel Chai]

You're still not getting it.   "Terrorist supporting groups" would merit inclusion on the list based solely on the definition.  The only reason CAIR is NOT on the list is because of political correctness and US govt worship of Muslims which overrides the list definitions.   So other groups which support terrorists could in theory be placed on the list (even though CAIR is not on it).   Enter Naturei Karta.

Aie. They should be on the list and they're a terrorist group. Really, and this is a pretty good example of why, it's best not to accuse people of things.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Aie. They should be on the list and they're a terrorist group. Really, and this is a pretty good example of why, it's best not to accuse people of things.

I still am not aware of what I accused you of.  So, what are you talking about?

[Israel Chai]

I still am not aware of what I accused you of.  So, what are you talking about?

Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

NK should at least be required to register as agents of the Iranian government.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.

Uhhh.  What?

Sounds to me like you are misconstruing something into a personal attack when it wasn't.

I suggest you quit being such an overly defensive drama queen.  No one here is "out to get you"

[Israel Chai]

Uhhh.  What?

Sounds to me like you are misconstruing something into a personal attack when it wasn't.

I suggest you quit being such an overly defensive drama queen.  No one here is "out to get you"

Ok. You're a [censored] retard.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Ok. You're a [censored] retard.

Why with the petty insults, child?  The effect of this is trolling of the forum.

You don't see how this:

Since I said that Kapo Karta was a terrorist supporting group like CAIR, and you told me that I was wrong and that they should really be a terrorist group, you indirectly accused me of saying that CAIR are not terrorist scum.

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which you then used as a pretext to hurl insults and attacks,
is an overreaction to something that wasn't an attack on you at all?    Taking something that isn't personal and making it into a flame war is a type of trolling.

If you are worried about being "indirectly accused" and respond with insults, it's a good sign you are overreacting.   Think about it.   Does it really make sense to say someone attacked you by inference?   The whole concept is oxymoronic.   
Now man up, and stop behaving like a little girl.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

If this is done it is a very bad precedent. Jews should not go complaining about other Jews to non-Jewish governments. When the opportunity comes we can and should take care of them ourselves. Dont get others involved.

[Israel Chai]

Why with the petty insults, child?  The effect of this is trolling of the forum.

You don't see how this:,
which you then used as a pretext to hurl insults and attacks,
is an overreaction to something that wasn't an attack on you at all?    Taking something that isn't personal and making it into a flame war is a type of trolling.

If you are worried about being "indirectly accused" and respond with insults, it's a good sign you are overreacting.   Think about it.   Does it really make sense to say someone attacked you by inference?   The whole concept is oxymoronic.   
Now man up, and stop behaving like a little girl.

Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.

[cjd]

Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.

This sort of low life nastiness is really uncalled for... From the way I see it you have crossed the line quite a few times... It seems like you were becoming more civil however I see the same old trollish behavior just waiting to come out...  Whoever it was that banned you some time back was on the right track.

[Israel Chai]

This sort of low life nastiness is really uncalled for... From the way I see it you have crossed the line quite a few times... It seems like you were becoming more civil however I see the same old trollish behavior just waiting to come out...  Whoever it was that banned you some time back was on the right track.

Do it. I won't protest. Way I see it, I only return low-life nastiness.

[cjd]

Do it. I won't protest. Way I see it, I only return low-life nastiness.

I don't see anyone else cursing and name calling... Only you.

[Israel Chai]

I don't see anyone else cursing and name calling... Only you.

Ok. CJD is an overly defensive drama queen who behaves like a girl and is really a little child.

[cjd]

Ok. CJD is an overly defensive drama queen who behaves like a girl and is really a little child.

I see the point your trying to make but I can't agree with you... You really need to go back and read through the thread... Unless there is some other underlying issues present the sort of responses you made seem very uncalled for.

[Israel Chai]

I see the point your trying to make but I can't agree with you... You really need to go back and read through the thread... Unless there is some other underlying issues present the sort of responses you made seem very uncalled for.

If this was a conversation in real life, I'd have broken his jaw, and he would have known to speak with respect in the first place. Since this is the internet, all I have here is retorts. I refuse to be mocked, especially by someone who doesn't even understand what I am saying.

[muman613]

Wow. You really are stupid enough to be a politician. Let's respond:

1. You're a retard for calling me a "drama queen" over something I couldn't possibly be mad at, but was simply a logical connection.

2. Nothing was a pretext to "hurl insults", retard, other than your insults. Have you learned nothing about me? Be civil and I will be civil. And I never back down, though I can just leave things behind completely if they're not worth it.

3. It doesn't make sense to say someone attacked you by inference, except in some extreme examples, this not being one. Only a retard would see that in this situation.

4. Please stop saying things you pretend to know about my age, or the slightest thing about me. You know nothing on the subject, evidently, and I will insure that you never will.

5. You're a retarded faggot obsessed with drama queens and calling men girls on ridiculous assumptions.

I'll reexplain in words that you can understand: daaa daaa I wasn't saying you should take back saying that I think CAIR is a terrorist group, I was trying to make you see that my post indirectly said they were.

I generally do what I am accused of, so here's some drama faggot: go [censored] yourself.

LKZ,

I like you, and I value your opinion, but I must protest your continuing this argument. Sometimes it is better to let things go than to continue such a conversation. I am sorry it seems to you that KWRBT was insulting you, I did not see such a thing, but I realize each of us reacts differently to the way we are treated.

I like both you and KWRBT and even though KWRBT and I don't agree on everything I am able to step back and avoid getting upset about things he says which could be upsetting. Sometimes communicating through the medium of the internet is difficult because often our message gets misread and something we said is twisted either deliberately or innocently.

Please stop namecalling. It is not conducive to dialog. Respect JTF members who have been here and contributed to the JTF cause for years. Even if you feel a bit upset about something said it is better for the movement to take these kinds of things into PM, and maybe have someone else give an opinion about why this argument is taking place.

I am discouraged when I see good people like you and KWRBT getting pulled into a conflict. There is a  time and a place for conflict, but I don't think this forum is the best place for it..

[Israel Chai]

LKZ,

I like you, and I value your opinion, but I must protest your continuing this argument. Sometimes it is better to let things go than to continue such a conversation. I am sorry it seems to you that KWRBT was insulting you, I did not see such a thing, but I realize each of us reacts differently to the way we are treated.

I like both you and KWRBT and even though KWRBT and I don't agree on everything I am able to step back and avoid getting upset about things he says which could be upsetting. Sometimes communicating through the medium of the internet is difficult because often our message gets misread and something we said is twisted either deliberately or innocently.

Please stop namecalling. It is not conducive to dialog. Respect JTF members who have been here and contributed to the JTF cause for years. Even if you feel a bit upset about something said it is better for the movement to take these kinds of things into PM, and maybe have someone else give an opinion about why this argument is taking place.

I am discouraged when I see good people like you and KWRBT getting pulled into a conflict. There is a  time and a place for conflict, but I don't think this forum is the best place for it..

Never once have you seen me insult someone with reason, and never once have you seen me say nothing after an insult. It's the reason i came back to the forum in the first place.

I'll play then. Pretend I'm KWRBT:

You can't say that an argument is a fish because arguments don't live in water and are in fact incorporeal. Don't be such a drama queen Muman.

Now respond respectfully.

[muman613]

LKZ,

I realize that once a person feels attacked they respond in order to defend themselves. I am all for standing up for yourself and avoiding appearing weak, especially when dealing with people who are my enemy (personal and national). There is a time to make a stand over an issue, and then there are times when issues can be let go. In this case I believe you said something which KWRBT didn't agree with, he may have worded his reply in a tone which appeared to you to be challenging. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, but I often step away from the computer and will let the discussion die down while I consider a way of expressing myself which conveys my true feelings without (or minimally) injecting personal issues into the conversation.

If only we could all step back and realize that for the most part all the long time JTF members are working for a noble goal. When we have these kinds of conversations (arguments) we lose some of the righteousness we have due to our engaging in Lashon Hara. I only ask that everyone be a little more respectful to each other.

[Israel Chai]

LKZ,

I realize that once a person feels attacked they respond in order to defend themselves. I am all for standing up for yourself and avoiding appearing weak, especially when dealing with people who are my enemy (personal and national). There is a time to make a stand over an issue, and then there are times when issues can be let go. In this case I believe you said something which KWRBT didn't agree with, he may have worded his reply in a tone which appeared to you to be challenging. I am guilty at times of doing the same thing, but I often step away from the computer and will let the discussion die down while I consider a way of expressing myself which conveys my true feelings without (or minimally) injecting personal issues into the conversation.

If only we could all step back and realize that for the most part all the long time JTF members are working for a noble goal. When we have these kinds of conversations (arguments) we lose some of the righteousness we have due to our engaging in Lashon Hara. I only ask that everyone be a little more respectful to each other.

The wording of his response was not quite as relevant and the wording of his insults. If anyone would like, I can show them exactly how to insult effectively and persistently. I take personal insults as a plea to do so.

As I expected, you did not find a respectful response. I tried, but don't fault me for not finding one. It's unfortunate that this had to happen. If ever once someone said something after I was fed another baseless insult, without me responding my way first, I would have said nothing. I get all the blame as usual, but heck, I'm Jewish, so I'm used to that.

Despite the fact that I would now never associate with him, I respect KWRBT because he is doing a good deed by helping JTF. I will not show respect to someone after they disrespect me. You can tell me a thousand times to pull down my pants and bend over for him, but it will not happen. I am not going to be his [censored] and give him little petty self-esteem boost opportunities for the small of manhood.