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edu:
To Quote from http://templemountcenter.com/Rambam7Commandments.htm

--- Quote ---4: A Gentile who worshipped other gods is punishable [i.e. deserves punishment], and this is if he worshipped it in its way.

[There are general modes of worship, such as prayer, declaration of faith, bowing down, animal sacrifice, etc. which are applicable to any kind of "other god", and there are specific modes of worship associated with specific cults. For instance the worship of Markolis included the throwing of stones into a pile. This was not part of the worship of Ba'al. Someone who throws a stone in worship of Markolis is guilty, whereas someone who throws a stone in worhip of Ba'al is not.]
And every strange worship which the Beit Din (Rabbinical Court) of the Jews gives a death sentence [to Jews] for, a Gentile is executed if he did it. And every strange worship which the Beit Din does not execute [Jews] for it, a Gentile is not executed if he did it. But even if he wouldn't be executed for it, it is all still forbidden. And we don't allow him to raise a pillar [as a focal point for worship], nor to plant a sacred grove and not to make images, nor similar things.
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Ibn Ezra to Daniel 11:30 states that the Arabs at Mecca also had a stone throwing  Markolis worship ceremony and did not agree to accept the authority of the leader of Islam until he swore to them that he would allow them to continue their stone throwing ceremony.
It needs further discussion, what would be the status of a Gentile who claims to be a monotheist, but nevertheless continues a Markolis stone throwing ceremony of a pagan religion.

muman613:
This is all theoretical because at this time we have no Sanhedrin and the Ishmaelites control the Temple Mount. We are not permitted to pray there... Until the time when we have sovereignty what is the purpose of hypothesizing whether this constitutes avodah zarah. We are the weak ones now, for whatever reason, and until Jews grow one we will not be able to spread the Torah laws into this world.

Tag-MehirTzedek:

--- Quote from: muman613 on August 01, 2013, 04:56:42 PM ---This is all theoretical because at this time we have no Sanhedrin and the Ishmaelites control the Temple Mount. We are not permitted to pray there... Until the time when we have sovereignty what is the purpose of hypothesizing whether this constitutes avodah zarah. We are the weak ones now, for whatever reason, and until Jews grow one we will not be able to spread the Torah laws into this world.

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 ???   . It is important discussion and we are not the "weak ones". If that is the case why even bother talking about removing the Arabs from Israel? Why even bother with anything?

Tag-MehirTzedek:
 Markolis worship ceremony

muman613:

--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on August 01, 2013, 09:27:58 PM ---
 ???   . It is important discussion and we are not the "weak ones". If that is the case why even bother talking about removing the Arabs from Israel? Why even bother with anything?

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It just seems ironic to talk about removing and executing the idol worshipers when a Jew cannot even daven at the Temple Mount without being arrested. Sounds like 'day-dreaming' to me...

I am just tired of seeing the degradation of the Jewish people in the holy land. And to talk about enforcing the Torah laws today seems like a pipe dream.. The perverts just held a major gay rally in Jerusalem and 3 people were arrested for protesting against it... This is the Jewish state? It is a chillul Hashem.

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