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America Spies on Israel with special intensity
« on: August 30, 2013, 03:22:35 AM »
This should come as no surprise to any of us. But documents leaked by Snowden appear to indicate that America spends a considerable effort on spying on Israel, even more than other threats. Israel is actually perceived as a threat to America and thus is the target of special scrutiny. I suppose this is the reason Jonathan Pollard has been incarcerated for 30 years while other more notorious 'spies' have been released sooner (witness Manning). I also suppose this should cause one to think that Jews in America may also be targeted for special scrutiny.


I also am inclined to believe that the supposed 'special relationship' which Obama joked about early in his presidency does not exist, nor may it have ever existed. As always the O is a master of deception, speaking supposedly eloquently while slowly stabbing you in your back. If I were Israel's intelligence services I would be especially watching American operatives in the middle east closely because trust is being lost very quickly for the American administration.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171434#.UiBG7RKJB-M

Israel a Top Target for U.S. Spying, Leaked Documents Reveal

The Obama administration views Israel as one of the top spying threats, according to documents leaked by Edward Snowden.
Elad Benari

The Obama administration apparently views Israel as one of the top spying threats facing its intelligence services, according to leaked documents which were exposed Thursday.

A secret budget request obtained by The Washington Post from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden lumps Israel alongside U.S. foes Iran and Cuba as “key targets” for U.S. counterintelligence efforts.

According to The Hill, the document leaked by Snowden suggests that Israel does not believe U.S. assurances that its interests are aligned with Israel's on crucial issues such as Iran and peace talks with the Palestinian Authority.

“To further safeguard our classified networks, we continue to strengthen insider threat detection capabilities across the Community,” reads the FY 2013 congressional budget justification for intelligence programs. “In addition, we are investing in target surveillance and offensive CI [counterintelligence] against key targets, such as China, Russia, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and Cuba.”

The White House and the Israeli Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.

The revelations come as no surprise to Georgetown University's Paul Pillar, who retired as the national intelligence officer for the Near East in 1995 after a 28-year career in U.S. intelligence.

Israeli spying, he told The Hill, has remained a major threat since U.S. citizen Jonathan Pollard received a life sentence in 1987 in a massive spying case that gravely strained relations between the two countries.

“Israel should be assumed to continue to have an aggressive intelligence collection operations against the United States,” Pillar said. While much information is collected through traditional political contacts, he said, “I would personally have no doubt that that is supplemented by whatever means they can use to find out as much as they can about what we're doing, thinking, deciding on anything of interest to Israel, which would include just about any Middle Eastern topic.”

The issues of continued Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria and Obama's strong interest in reaching a negotiated settlement to avoid a confrontation with Iran over its nuclear program, Pillar said, are two issues where U.S. and Israeli interests “certainly diverge.”

Spying, he said, could give Israel “warning indicators” before any public decisions, and enable the country to put its “political machine in action” and get the United States to reconsider.

“If I were in [Prime Minister Binyamin] Netanyahu's shoes and had his perspective,” Pillar said, “I would spare no effort to try to collect every bit of intelligence I could, in secret as well as openly.”

He said the public revelations won't impact U.S.-Israeli relations.

“Everything is trumped by political realities,” Pillar said. “Don't expect any statement by the White House press secretary tomorrow that says, 'Oh my gosh, we are really upset with the Israelis for trying to spy on us'. You're never going to hear anything like that, because politically it is hazardous for basically any American politician – and certainly an incumbent American administration – to underscore ... the divergence of U.S. and Israeli interests.”

The leaks by Snowden have thus far mostly strained the United States’ relations with Russia.

Snowden is wanted by the United States on espionage and other charges after he gave journalists classified documents detailing the NSA’s far-reaching electronic and telephone surveillance programs.

On August 1, Snowden was granted temporary asylum in Russia. He is free to stay in Russia until at least July 31, 2014, and his asylum status may be extended annually upon request.

Snowden leaked classified information to the Guardian and Washington Post pertaining to alleged NSA eavesdropping on telephone calls and emails of private citizens, then fled from his home in Hawaii, to a Moscow airport, via Hong Kong. After staying in the airport for more than a month, the Russian government decided to grant him political asylum.

U.S. President Barack Obama reacted angrily to Russia’s move and, in response, cancelled a planned G20 meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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Re: America Spies on Israel with special intensity
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2013, 03:19:50 PM »
These started why before Pollard.Israel knows who the agents are
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Re: America Spies on Israel with special intensity
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2013, 05:52:06 PM »
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that everyone knows that everyone spies on everyone else.  I mean, that's the game they all play, so I don't see how this being made public is really going to either hurt anyone or be a surprise -- especially to professional intelligence and counter-intelligence officers and those high officials in governments.  Yes? 

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Re: America Spies on Israel with special intensity
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2013, 06:06:05 PM »
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that everyone knows that everyone spies on everyone else.  I mean, that's the game they all play, so I don't see how this being made public is really going to either hurt anyone or be a surprise -- especially to professional intelligence and counter-intelligence officers and those high officials in governments.  Yes?

Yes, obviously it is an obvious secret that everyone spies on everyone. But that Israel should be considered a threat on par with Iran and Russia is somewhat eye opening. For all the talk the administration makes concerning a 'special relationship' the truth is that America looks very suspiciously at Israel due to long-running antisemitism in the State Department.
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Re: America Spies on Israel with special intensity
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2013, 06:17:34 PM »
Yes, obviously it is an obvious secret that everyone spies on everyone. But that Israel should be considered a threat on par with Iran and Russia is somewhat eye opening. For all the talk the administration makes concerning a 'special relationship' the truth is that America looks very suspiciously at Israel due to long-running antisemitism in the State Department.
As far as I'm concerned, there's no way that the U.S. considers Israel a threat on par with Iran and Russia.  I mean, just in terms of the threat from terrorism, the U.S. has nothing to fear from Israel.  Obama is no friend to Israel.  But even he can't put Israel on par with Iran and Russia.  It's true that the goyim don't trust Jews, I would never argue that point, that's for sure.