Anti-semetic evangelicals

[Israel Chai]

Yes, I understand what you are saying. Maybe we can explore this in another thread in the Torah section...

Can a halachically correct statement of support be that evangelicals who do support Judaism are definitely helping make their next life easier? Many are looking forward to something after the big test, so what do they get there for what they do as a Huckabee type, a Catholic or a Dhimmi Carter evangelical? Here it matters, but what about for their eternal souls?

[muman613]

Can a halachically correct statement of support be that evangelicals who do support Judaism are definitely helping make their next life easier? Many are looking forward to something after the big test, so what do they get there for what they do as a Huckabee type, a Catholic or a Dhimmi Carter evangelical? Here it matters, but what about for their eternal souls?

In my opinion Huckabee would be rewarded for the good he has done. His support of Israel is very meritorious, imo...

And certainly Carter will have a long hot stay in gehinnom for his vociferous Jew hatred, and his infliction of damage on Israel.

I cannot fathom how Hashem calculates the merit of man. Aside from the basic calculation of their damage or their repair of the world there must be many hidden calculations.

I believe that people who worshiped idols and had never known anything other than that may not be judged so severely. We cannot be punished for things we were not aware of, or things beyond our control. The example you gave of the Egyptian who worshiped his 'evil' god is interesting. It is wrong in Hashems eyes to worship the sun and moon and stars but how can he be expected to rise to the level of our father Abraham (who actually 'discovered' Hashem through his own power of reason).

 

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

  G-D repays everyone, even the biggest Reshaim were paid for the (few) good that they did. The payment here or in the next world, we do not know, only G-D knows what and how much each individual deserves (even 2 individuals doing same action can be rewarded or punished differently based on intent and how easy or hard it was and many other factors involved).

[muman613]

Some interesting statements concerning Reward in the volume Pirkie Avot (Wisdom of the Fathers):

http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html


1:3. Antigonus of Socho received the Torah from Shimon the Righteous. He used to say: Be not like servants who minister unto their master for the sake of receiving a reward, but be like servants who serve their master not upon the condition of receiving a reward; and let the fear of Heaven be upon you.

2:1. Rabbi Judah the Prince said: Which is the proper course that a man should choose for himself? That which is an honor to him and elicits honor from his fellow men. Be as scrupulous about a light precept as of a weighty one, for you do not know the reward allotted for each precept. Balance the loss incurred by the fulfillment of a precept against the gain and the accruing from a transgression against the loss it involves.  Reflect on three things and you will never come to sin: Know what is above you --a seeing eye, a hearing ear, and all your deeds recorded in a book

2:2. Rabban Gamaliel the son of Rabbi Judah the Prince said: Great is study of the Torah when combined with a worldly occupation, for toil in them both puts sin out of mind. All study of the Torah which is not supplemented by work is destined to prove futile and causes sin. Let all who occupy themselves with communal affairs do so for Heaven's sake, for then the merit of their fathers sustains them and their righteousness endures forever. And as for you, G-d will then say: I count you worthy of great reward as if you had done it all yourselves.

2:19. Rabbi Elazar said: Be eager to study the Torah. Know what to respond to a heretic. Know before whom you toil and who is your employer who shall pay you the reward of your labor.

2:21. He used to say: It is not incumbent upon you to finish the task. Yet, you are not free to desist from it. If you have studied much in the Torah much reward will be given you, for faithful is your employer who shall pay you the reward of your labor. And know that the reward for the righteous shall be in the time to come.

4:2. Ben Azzai said: Be eager to fulfill the smallest duty and flee from transgression; for one duty induces another and one transgression induces another transgression. The reward of a duty is a duty, the reward of one transgression is another transgression.

4:12. Rabbi Meir said: Engage little in business but occupy yourself with Torah. Be humble in spirit before all men. If you neglect Torah many causes for neglecting it will present themselves to you; but if you labor in Torah then G-d has abundant reward to give you.

5:26. Ben Heh-Heh used to say: According to the effort is the reward.


See also : http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter2-19.html

[Israel Chai]

So what does the Egpytian get for being a studious and devout idolater? Just because you think something is right, I don't think you should be rewarded.

[muman613]

So what does the Egpytian get for being a studious and devout idolater? Just because you think something is right, I don't think you should be rewarded.

As Tag said, every good deed is repaid, so too every bad deed (according to Torah) is punished.

So this idolator will suffer for Idolatry (to what extent is not known)..

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

So what does the Egpytian get for being a studious and devout idolater? Just because you think something is right, I don't think you should be rewarded.

 I didn't say that they will get for the wrong and evil they did (or do) but for good actions. What you raise is correct as well. When someone is doing something for an evil cause the more they do it the greater is their debt (sin) that they then will be accountable for.