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Which of these creatures do you think is most likely to be Gog?

BHO (ysv)
4 (36.4%)
Whoren Wilhelm (ysv)
0 (0%)
Sh*tlery Saddam Arafag (ysv)
0 (0%)
Yair Lapig (ysv)
0 (0%)
Muzz Muzzie (ysv)
0 (0%)
"Lady" Gaga (ysv)
1 (9.1%)
Satan Rouhani (ysv)
1 (9.1%)
Katy Slutty (ysv)
0 (0%)
Marine LePen*s (ysv)
0 (0%)
Aryand Paul (ysv)
1 (9.1%)
BerGOGlio (ysv)
2 (18.2%)
Angela Merkel (ysv)
0 (0%)
Rick Whoren (ysv)
0 (0%)
Other
2 (18.2%)

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Gog Poll
« on: October 31, 2013, 02:41:33 PM »
Self-explanatory poll--which of these monsters do you consider most likely to become Gog (or, for the JTF Christians, the Antichrist)? I think Warren Wilhelm (ysv) is quite possibly the frontrunner.

I will not vote.

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 03:23:55 PM »
I hope nobody is Gog.

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 03:57:28 PM »
They're all pretty evil. It's hard to decide.

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 04:25:37 PM »
According to Chazal, Gog has a brother called "Armilus" - aka the "Anti-Moshiach", from whence the Xtians get the idea of the "Anti-Christ".

R.Kahane extensively refers to this Armilus chappie in his book "The Jewish Idea" vol2.

The Vilna Gaon says that Armilus is the "Prince of the Erev Rav" ie he is a nominal Jew, who will lead Gog, Magog, the Mixed Multitudes, the Mixed Minitudes (generally identified with most Haredim of today) plus everyone else against the (Kahanist) Moshiach.

In this short downloadable audio clip from 1994, Chabad scholar R.Isser Zalman Weisberg eerily predicted from verse, codes and gematrias that Armilus is none other than.......the current President of the State of Israel Shimon Peres!!!!
http://k2s.cc/file/5272ba7feba53/weisberg.MP3


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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 05:08:30 PM »
I am not sure of whether Perez is gog or not, but at one time they thought it was Sharon...

Here is some interesting notes on Armillus:



An Interesting Source
by Yacov M. Tabak, Ph.D.

In the wake of the devastation of the Jewish presence in Gaza, many powerful emotions are sweeping through the Israeli public. Those “blue” partisans on the left side of the map are in some cases even gleeful that the Messianic ideology of the State of Israel as the harbinger and tool of the coming of the Messiah has been demonstrated to be empty of significance, and the land of this country has been reduced to its rightful status as only a bargaining chip for the personal security of its citizens. An outstanding expression of this attitude is the major surge in Stock Market indicators in the last week. Money is to be made now that we are back to a purely materialistic orientation to our existence.
 
 The “orange Orthodox” on the other hand may be expected to be in deep depression at the apparent shattering of a 140-year-old ideology, where the State of Israel can no longer be viewed as “reishit tzemichat geulateinu” the initial flowering of our Redemption. A state which would do what the government, army and police have just done cannot possibly have this role to play. A political refuge for persecuted Jews – maybe. A vessel of classical Bible-based prophetic Redemption – never.
 
Both positions are incorrect, says Jewish tradition. It turns out that this process of the destruction of Neveh Dekalim and its satellites was foretold, and is an integral element in the unfolding scenario of Redemption. The source is the Targum Yonatan ben Uziel (ancient Aramaic elaborate rendering of the Pentateuch and Prophets, sentence by sentence, in light of prophetic and rabbinic [MidRaShYc] sources) on Deuteronomy 34:3. First, the Hebrew, then the Targum, then the English:

1) Ve’et hanegev ve’et ha kikar, bikat Yereicho ir hatemarim ad Tzoar.

2) VeYat melich daroma di’mitchaber im melich tzifuna lechabala yatvei ar’ah, veAmonai uMoavai yatvei meishra deme’ikin lehon leYisrael, ve-yat galvat talmidei  Eliahu de galan min bikata deYereicho, ve-yat galvat talmidei de’Elisha de galu min Kirvat Diklaya al yedei ahuhon beit Yisrael matan alfin guvrin, ve-yat akat kol dar vedar, ufuranut Armalgus reshia ve sidrei krava d’GOG, uve’idan tzaarah rabah hahi, Michael yekum bideraa leferuka.

3) “And the King of the South who joins with the King of the North to cause injury to the inhabitants of the Land [of  Israel], and the Ammonites and Moabites – dwellers on the plains who cause pain to Israel, and the exile of the disciples of [the Prophet] Elijah who are exiled from the plains of Jericho, and the exile of the disciples of [the Prophet] Elisha who are exiled from the town of Dekalim by two hundred thousand of their brethren of the House of Israel, and the pain of each and every bonfire, and the disaster [caused by] Armalgus the Evil One, and the battle order of Gog, and at the time of that great agony, [the Archangel] Michael will rise up with [G-d’s outstretched right] forearm to redeem.”
 
Here is a brief rendering of the sources for this text and their context:
 
a) Kings of the South/North – see Daniel 11: 40 and sentences following. At the Et Ketz – Time of the End [End of Days] there is a back-and-forth conflict between a King of the South and the King of the North. The classic Jewish commentator Metzudot David identifies the King of the North as Rome – the Christian world. The Malbim, another commentator,  identifies the King of the South as associated with the land of Ishmael – the Moslem world. As to the specifics of this conflict, kindly consult your daily newspapers since 9/11. The information is written there in gruesome detail. In the end, they  invade Israel under the leadership of Gog from the Christian world.

b) Ammonites – dwellers in Rabat Ammon – the modern Amman, capital of transJordan. Moabites are the people who dwelled in southern Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia. Their descendants migrated into Turkish-Mandatory Palestine during the last century and one half and are today identified as “the Palestinians”. These indeed cause great pain to Israel.

c) Elijah went up to heaven in a fiery chariot at Jericho, and his disciple Elisha assumed his mantle of prophetic calling. Their disciples are those who embrace the redemptive message of prophecy.

d) The reference to the town of Dekalim requires no elaboration. The reference to “two hundred thousand men” can be correlated with the total number of soldiers and police in uniform at this time – close to 50,000 dealing directly with the exile and destruction in Gush Katif, the balance dealing with the needs of the rest of the country.

e) “Dar” in Aramaic can be “generation”, it can be “bonfire”, and it can be a “ploughed furrow”. Here the context of bonfire is most logical. Some citizens even set fire to their own homes in the last week. Enough said.

f) Armalgus is a “misrendering” of  “Armilius”, originally the Aramaic version of “Romulus” the founder of Rome (see the Targum on Isaiah 11:4). According to the students of the Vilna Gaon, he considered that in the gradual unfolding of the Redemption, Armilius will be not from Rome but the leader of the Erev Rav, the modern-day faction among the Jews, who, like the original Exodus Erev Rav [mixed multitude], will agitate for the undoing and the ridiculing of the Geula – Redemption. Since this “misrendering”  leads to a Gematria – numerical value of 340, and since there exists a leading promoter of Palestinian interests among the veteran Jewish ministers whose name in gematria equals 340, this may not be a misrendering at all, and Sharon may ultimately not be the one who is behind this entire scenario. Time will tell.

g) The War of Gog uMagog is the final battle where G-d Himself rescues the Jewish People in Israel (see Zecharia 14) from an invasion led by a leader referred to as Nasi Gog – President Gog (see Ezekiel 38-39). Taking into account that the classic Yemenite pronunciation of Hebrew can render this GeOGe, with soft Ge’s, and that in Texas the southern drawl renders this name Geo’ge with no “r” being pronounced, it is entirely possible that the leader of the Christian world to whom there is Biblical  reference is easily identified as a current leader. We should not be surprised if in the wake of the precedent set by the destruction of last week, the UN [Ha’um - Magog in Gematria -52], under American Presidential leadership organizes an expeditionary force to invade Israel with the “peaceful” purpose of applying this Dekalim precedent further to other Israeli presences beyond the Green Line, when Sharon refuses to do so. If this happens, we will likely be witnessing the beginning of the War of Gog uMagog.

h) The Archangel Michael is the guardian Angel of the Jewish people (see Daniel 12:1). He will carry out G-d’s will in the ultimate Redemption and save the Jews. It is his role that is referred to here.

i) The above sources were first brought to my attention about 12 years ago at the time of the Oslo (“Jericho First”) accords, by Mr. Shabtai Shiloh  of Jerusalem, may he be well, who has done much research in these matters. We did not suspect then that the reference to Dekalim was in the Gaza strip. Today, it is clear.

And so, the “blue” camp, supporters of the “Disenagement”, should not rejoice yet. The messianic redemptive vision, leading to the Messiah, the first modern true prophet, who will begin to function in the wake of the War of Gog Umagog, is alive and well, and is supported, not negated, by the events at Neveh Dekalim and its environs.
 
The “orange Orthodox” camp, resolute opponents of “Disengagement”, may take heart. We mourn the terrible injustice and privation visited upon thousands of innocent citizens whose only “sin” has been intense idealism. However, what has happened to them may well be a harbinger of wonderful times to come. May they be comforted and their pain assuaged. And may all of Israel be blessed from On High.
 
Yacov M. Tabak, Ph.D.
 
August 29, 2005
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 05:39:04 PM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                                                                          :fist:


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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2013, 08:11:33 PM »

R.Kahane extensively refers to this Armilus chappie in his book "The Jewish Idea" vol2.



 Which page?

910, 922, 927 (English edition)
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 11:53:46 PM »
Self-explanatory poll--which of these monsters do you consider most likely to become Gog (or, for the JTF Christians, the Antichrist)? I think Warren Wilhelm (ysv) is quite possibly the frontrunner.

I will not vote.
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It would have to be a man so most of those people don't qualify. Gog Wahabi Bush is the people most people would have voted for but he was not included.


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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2013, 11:57:57 PM »
How can a Jew be Gog? Isn't Gog supposed to be the head of a World superpower? Russia is the geographic area of Magog. So it could be Putin. It was once pointed out that if you draw a line North from Jerusalem (The Halachic 0 Degrees Latitude and Longitude), you will get to Alaska, which is part of the US so that can qualify a US President of leading Magog as well. Alaska is actually the same distance from Jerusalem as New York is if you fly from Jerusalem North over Russia and the North Pole.


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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 12:18:45 AM »
According to Chazal, Gog has a brother called "Armilus" - aka the "Anti-Moshiach", from whence the Xtians get the idea of the "Anti-Christ".

R.Kahane extensively refers to this Armilus chappie in his book "The Jewish Idea" vol2.

The Vilna Gaon says that Armilus is the "Prince of the Erev Rav" ie he is a nominal Jew, who will lead Gog, Magog, the Mixed Multitudes, the Mixed Minitudes (generally identified with most Haredim of today) plus everyone else against the (Kahanist) Moshiach.

In this short downloadable audio clip from 1994, Chabad scholar R.Isser Zalman Weisberg eerily predicted from verse, codes and gematrias that Armilus is none other than.......the current President of the State of Israel Shimon Peres!!!!
http://k2s.cc/file/5272ba7feba53/weisberg.MP3




What are the mixed minitudes and why are they Haredim?

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 12:37:20 AM »
I have never heard of the mixed 'minitude' and I don't even know if that is an english word.

According to a search of the dictionary it appears it is not an English word...
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 12:38:20 AM »
I also am of the belief that the Gog character cannot be a Jew. He will be a military leader of a Gentile nation.

I think this video explains the scenario pretty well:





You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 12:39:23 AM »
It might be based on minim (A word similar to malshinim.). Some versions of the bracha against informers includes the words minim and zeidim in addition to malshinim. I think it also based on the word minions.


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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 12:40:49 AM »
I also am of the belief that the Gog character cannot be a Jew. He will be a military leader of a Gentile nation.


But Armillus can be the leader of the Erev Rav. Ehud Smolmert was the Armilus while Gog Wahabi Bush was in the White House.

Obama is more like Nimrod than Gog.


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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 12:46:40 AM »
According to Chazal, Gog has a brother called "Armilus" - aka the "Anti-Moshiach", from whence the Xtians get the idea of the "Anti-Christ".


It was once stated that the Xtians got their "Christ" from Mashiach Ben Yosef and the "second coming" from Mashiach Ben David. In Kahanist theology, Rabbi Kahane or his son were Mashiach Ben Yosef and the Anti-Mashiach was Yitzhak Rabin.


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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2013, 01:03:07 AM »
In every generation there is a potential Moshiach ben David and Moshiach ben Yosef. The potential Moshiach ben Yosef has to be slain by a non-Jew in each generation, as per Sukkah 52. It is believed by many that in the previous generation the Lubavitcher Rebbe was the potential Moshiach ben David and R.Kahane the potential ben Yosef.

The Zohar refers to the Erev Katan (also known as the Erev Zeir), literally the "Mixed Minitude", a sub group of the Erev Rav ("Mixed Multitude"). The Erev Katan were the elite of the Egyptian magicians and part of the huge number of non-Jews whom the Torah say left with Jews at the Exodus & became incorporated in to them, but have been a bane ever since. To rid their seed from the pure Am Yisrael is a war more difficult than against Amolek and even Gog and Magog, says the Vilna Gaon in Kol Hator.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2013, 01:49:18 AM »


It would have to be a man so most of those people don't qualify. Gog Wahabi Bush is the people most people would have voted for but he was not included.
Jorge Wahhabi Bush was not Gog.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2013, 12:01:39 PM »
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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2013, 02:06:49 PM »
I bet you did this poll just to make us laugh with the names you came up with.
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Re: Gog Poll
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2013, 09:11:39 PM »
These were named after the Ammonite people but this is what I think of when I hear the word Ammonite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonoidea

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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2013, 12:44:05 PM »
These were named after the Ammonite people but this is what I think of when I hear the word Ammonite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonoidea


What do Ammonites have to do with anything? Ammon was from Lot through one of his daughters. The other daughter was the mother of Moab.