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Land for Peace and HaRav Ovadia Yosef
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on November 06, 2013, 08:52:27 PM ---I missed where the Rebbe said he supports land for peace. In the video I posted he stated that a Jew must not surrender an inch of land because it will endanger Jewish life, not save it. Tell me how you believe that the Lubavitch Rebbe supported land for peace...
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I meant from the same source of Shulhan Aruch. I also meant that their premise is the same in that its about saving Jewish lives. (As opposed to the other Shitta brought down by Rav Kahane ZTKL that land can't be given even for real "peace".)
muman613:
--- Quote from: אפרים בן נח on November 06, 2013, 09:00:00 PM --- I didn't get to watch all of the video Tag posted, but what I got from the little I watched. Was... it is wrong to give up land and if you do, it only will lead to the Gentiles wanting more.
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Everyone agrees it is wrong to give land. Rabbi Yosef did make a very foolish error by assuming that peace with these enemies was a possibility. It was pointed out that Yosefs ruling contained the statement that he was only saying that if a TRUE peace could be had with enemies then it is ok to give land. That is a big 'IF' as if peace is possible with Hitler (yemach shemo).
Rabbi Yosef must atone for this mistake, but he did say he was mistaken and that the peace which he envisioned did not appear possible.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tag-MehirTzedek on November 06, 2013, 09:28:16 PM --- I meant from the same source of Shulhan Aruch. I also meant that their premise is the same in that its about saving Jewish lives. (As opposed to the other Shitta brought down by Rav Kahane ZTKL that land can't be given even for real "peace".)
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Do you consider 'Pikauch Nefesh' an important part of Jewish law?
I do, considering it permits violating Shabbat in order to save a life.
muman613:
I am not aware of how that Shulchan Aruch on Shabbat can be used to justify giving land for peace. Do you have a link to such a discussion?
Tag-MehirTzedek:
--- Quote from: muman613 on November 06, 2013, 09:33:49 PM ---Do you consider 'Pikauch Nefesh' an important part of Jewish law?
I do, considering it permits violating Shabbat in order to save a life.
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Of-course I do. But it doesn't matter if I do or not, its the Halacha when it comes to a situation on Shabbat. Rav Kahane ZTKL on the other hand said that besides the famous 3 sins that everyone brings down (murder, geluyi arayot and idolatry) and besides Hillul Hashem ALSO included as well is the conquest of Eress Yisrael, he had his explanation.
Rav Ovadia ZTL and the Lubavitcher Rebbe didn't include it. That is the distinction.
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