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Noachide prayer shawl?
Lubab:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on July 29, 2007, 02:43:28 AM ---Personally, I don't like the idea of doing anything that makes the impression that things are being added to the 7 Noahide laws. For this reason I don't like the term "Noahide Chossud" that the Lubovitchers use. Stop giving the impression that you are adding anything or changing Noahidism. The Noahides of ancient times had no prayer shawl so why are they adding this? I don't like it.
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They're not adding anything with the word Noahide Chassid. That's just a quick way of saying someone is one of the "Chassidei Umos HaOlam" (gemarah's word, not ours) and a good way to drive home the point that everyone who's not Jewish is a Noahide-it's just a questions of how well he's keeping the laws.
Ironically, Lubavitcher's are usually the ones who empasize that Noahides only have 7 laws and it's the other Noahide groups that usually try to add stuff and make act like Jews.
But I'm with you on the prayer shawl-see my post above.
newman:
--- Quote from: lubab on July 29, 2007, 08:58:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: newman on July 29, 2007, 01:59:38 AM ---This noachide prayer shawl was recently introduced at a noachide conference by Rabbi Tzvi Aviner. It has no tzit tzit and also differs from the Jewish type by having a rainbow trim to signify G_d's covenent with Noach.
Firstly, is this kosher? The colours seem a bit 'loud' for schull.
Secondly, as the rainbow has been hijacked by fagotts, peaceniks and anti-zionists of late, I am worried that wearing one of these in a synagogue may cause some to think I'm one of the afore mentioned undesirables. I don't want a punch in the head by a righteous Jew. Is there an alternate prayer shawl for noachides that doesn't violate halakha?
http://noahidenations.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=107&osCsid=bba92242e2ed0ecf28b7a44d05efd37f
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Looks like someone's trying to make a quick buck. $80! What a ripper. I don't think there is any significance whatsoever to wearing such a thing.
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It's not a violation to wear, though is it?
Lubab:
It's a violation to pay so much for that pile. But no I can't imagine there is any halachic violation.
newman:
--- Quote from: lubab on July 29, 2007, 09:03:13 PM ---It's a violation to pay so much for that pile. But no I can't imagine there is any halachic violation.
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I would prefer a plain off-white with no tzit tzit or blue border. The rainbow reminds us of the covenent, but a small 1" rainbow border would be more appropriate for scull.
Shlomo:
I see no problem with that, newman.
Just don't buy one with tzitzit already on it and remove them. Tzitzit are Holy items and can't be cut or destroyed in any way, G-d forbid. I think they sell the tallit without them on the internet so that people could tie their own if they wanted to. I know because I tied my first one when I became religious (so it meant a lot to me).
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