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Offline Israel Chai

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My ask JTF question
« on: April 07, 2014, 06:01:09 PM »
This one is going to probably need a lot of research, because no one can answer the question.

Scrolls 4Q203 1Q23 2Q26 4Q530-32 and 6Q8 discuss Azazel having half-angels with women. The book of Enoch was changed by Catholics and isn't reliable, and the dead sea cult are pretty off-beat fellows who had some strange beliefs and didn't like polygamy, so I'm not the first member in the fan club, so the only thing I can think of is they're wrong.

 Angels can't do anything they're not told to, so why would Hashem want half-angels roaming around?
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Re: My ask JTF question
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 07:36:52 PM »
I suspect this is a question about the Nephalim? The fallen ones discussed in Beresheit...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: My ask JTF question
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2014, 07:39:47 PM »
Is this what  you are asking about? I don't know if the 'dead sea scrolls' are available online..

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http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading.asp?aid=7781&p=complete
Chapter 6
1. And it came to pass when man commenced to multiply upon the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them.       א. וַיְהִי כִּי הֵחֵל הָאָדָם לָרֹב עַל פְּנֵי הָאֲדָמָה וּבָנוֹת יֻלְּדוּ לָהֶם:
2. That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.       ב. וַיִּרְאוּ בְנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים אֶת בְּנוֹת הָאָדָם כִּי טֹבֹת הֵנָּה וַיִּקְחוּ לָהֶם נָשִׁים מִכֹּל אֲשֶׁר בָּחָרוּ:
3. And the Lord said, "Let My spirit not quarrel forever concerning man, because he is also flesh, and his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."       ג. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה לֹא יָדוֹן רוּחִי בָאָדָם לְעֹלָם בְּשַׁגָּם הוּא בָשָׂר וְהָיוּ יָמָיו מֵאָה וְעֶשְׂרִים שָׁנָה:
4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: My ask JTF question
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2014, 07:41:10 PM »
http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/289/Q3/

Dear Rabbi,

What are the "Nephilim" mentioned in the Torah?

Dear Glenn Slocum,

The Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Torah (Genesis 6, Numbers 13). "Nephilim" means "the fallen ones." They were people of giant stature. It is not clear how large they were, but were large enough to scare other people. The Targum Yerushalmi, which is a Midrash, explains that they were Angels who descended to the Earth. According to this they were called fallen ones because they fell from their heavenly stature. The Ramban explains otherwise, that they were the other children of Adam. Because Adam, the First Man, was the handiwork of G-d, his children were of greater physical stature than their descendants. Because these people were so close to the Creator, they knew that they had no grandfather, they should have been spiritually elevated. Because they didn't live up to their potential they were considered "fallen ones."
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: My ask JTF question
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2014, 07:44:45 PM »
You may find this article particularly informative on this topic. It contains things I have not learned before so I am not sure of it's authenticity (although I have heard 'bits and pieces' before)...



http://www.torahaura.com/Bible/Learn_Torah_With/LTW_5761/LTW_5761_Noah/ltw_5761_noah.html

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Howard Schwartz
Parashat Noah

THE SONS OF GOD AND THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN

Many of the best-known biblical episodes are found in the early portion of Genesis, prior to the story of Abraham. These include the accounts of the creation, of Adam and Eve, of Noah, and of the Tower of Babel. But one enigmatic episode that is consistently overlooked is Genesis 6:1-4, concerning the Sons of God (B’nai Elohim) and the daughters of men:

When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the Sons of God saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them.

The Lord said, “My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years.”

It was then, and later too, that the Nephilim appeared on earth when the Sons of God cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

Like the account of the Tower of Babel, this mythic account of the mysterious Sons of God seems to appear from out of nowhere. Indeed, it may well be a mythic interpolation, added to explain why, a few verses later, the earth was corrupt before God (Gen. 6:11), much as the story of the Tower of Babel explains the origin of the many languages, as well as the dissemination of people over the earth.

The primary mystery of Genesis 6 is the identity of the Sons of God. Present-day commentators suggest that this may have been a tribe of exceptionally tall and handsome men who appeared and were irresistible to women. But the ancient rabbis were certain that the Sons of God were angels. (Although an alternate version in Aggadat Bereshit identifies them as the Sons of Cain.) As a model, the rabbis drew on the prologue to Job, where God and Satan agree to test Job to see if he is truly righteous. Here God has a dialogue in heaven with two angels, Shemhazai and Azazel, who condemn the corrupt ways of men. God argues that if they lived on earth they would behave the same way, because every one on earth is subject to the Yetzer ha-Ra, the evil inclination. The angels insist that they would remain righteous and convince God to let them descend to earth (in some versions, by Jacob’s ladder). When they do, they are immediately filled with lust over the beautiful daughters of men, and use their heavenly powers to satisfy their basest desires. And the offspring of these unions are described as the Nephilim, which has been interpreted to mean giants. Thus the account in Genesis 6 also provides the origin of giants.

There are many rabbinic variants of the story of the two angels from a wide range of sources, including The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) and Yalkut Shimoni. The best-known of these stories concerns two maidens, Ishtahar and Na’amah, whom the two angels sought to seduce, as follows:

THE STAR MAIDEN

When the generation of the Flood went astray, God began to regret having created man. Then two angels, Shemhazai and Azazel, reminded God that they had opposed the creation of man, saying, What is man, that You should be mindful of him? (Ps. 8:5). God replied: “Those who dwell on earth are subject to the Evil Inclination. Even you would be overpowered by it.” But the angels protested, saying: “Let us descend to the world of men, and let us show You how we will sanctify your name.” And God said: “Go down and dwell among them.”

So the two angels descended to earth, where they were certain they could resist the power of the Evil Inclination. But as soon as they saw how were beautiful the daughters of men, they forgot their vows and took lovers from among them, even though they were defiling their own pure essence. So too did they teach them secrets of how to entice men, as well as the dark arts of sorcery, incantations, and the divining of roots.

Then the two angels decided to select brides for themselves from among the daughters of men. Azazel desired Na'amah, the sister of Tubal-Cain, the most beautiful woman on earth. But there was another beautiful maiden, Ishtahar, the last of the virgins, whom Shemhazai desired, and she refused him. This made him want her all that much more.

“I am an angel,” he revealed to her, “you cannot refuse me.”

“I will not give in to you,” Ishtahar replied, “unless you teach me God's Ineffable Name.”

“That I cannot do,” Shemhazai replied, “for it is a secret of heaven.”

“Why should I believe you?”" said Ishtahar. “Perhaps you don't know it at all. Perhaps you are not really an angel.”

“Of course I know it,” said Shemhazai, and he revealed God's Name.

Now as soon as she heard the holy Name, Ishtahar pronounced it herself and flew up into the heavens, escaping the angel. And when God saw this, He said: “Because she removed herself from sin, let Ishtahar be set among the stars.” And Ishtahar was transformed into a star, one of the brightest in the sky. And when Shemhazai saw this, he recognized God's rebuke of his sin and repented, hanging himself upside down between heaven and earth. But Azazel refused to repent, and God hung him upside down in a canyon, bound in chains, where he remains to this day. That is why a scapegoat is sent to Azazel on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, bearing the sins of Israel.

Others say that when the two angels, Shemhazai and Azazel, came down to earth, they were still innocent. But they were corrupted by the demonesses Na'amah and Lilith. The children they bore were the giants of old, known as the Nephilim, or Fallen Ones. They bore six children at each birth, and in that very hour they stood on their feet, spoke the holy language, and danced before them like sheep. These giants had such great appetites that God rained manna on them in many different flavors, so that they might not eat flesh. But the Fallen Ones rejected the manna, slaughtered animals, and even dined on human flesh. Shemhazai fathered two sons, Hiwa and Hiya, who consumed a thousand oxen, a thousand camels, and a thousand horses daily. Before long the air was foul with the smell of carcasses. That is when God decided to cleanse the earth with the Flood.

Still others say that the offspring of the fallen angels were tall and handsome, and had greater strength than all the children of men. Because of the heavenly origin of their fathers, they are referred to as “the children of heaven.”

Note that this story, with its fairy-tale quality, manages to explain who the Sons of God were, how they brought corruption to the earth, the origin of giants, and how the decision to bring on the Flood came about. The story also demonstrates that no one, not even angels, is immune to the Evil Impulse. Indeed, so corrupt did the angels become, that it is said that in the end they indiscriminately enjoyed virgins, married women, men and beasts. The Sons of God are also blamed for having invented the use of ornaments, rouge, and multi-colored garments to make women more enticing. The daughters of men are identified as the children of Seth, Adam's son, and therefore are human (Zohar Genesis 37a). The heroine of the story is, of course, Ishtahar, the virgin who resisted the advances of Shemhazai, and was turned into a star. It is presumed that Ishtahar is a variant name for the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar. As for Na’amah, the young woman who is said to have overwhelmed Azazel with her beauty, she is identified as the sister of Tubal-Cain. In later legends, Na'amah is also identified as a sister or daughter of Lilith.

In most versions of this myth, Ishtahar demands to be told God’s secret name, the Tetragrammaton (Hashem). But in one alternate version in Beit ha-Midrash 5:156, which might be described as a midrash for children, she demands that he let her try on his wings. At first he denies that his wings come off, but when she insists, he takes them off and lets her put them on and at that moment she flies off into heaven and is transformed into a star.

In later versions of this legend, such as The Midrash of Shemhazi and Azazel, the role of Shemhazi is diminished, while the role of Azazel is expanded, until Azazel is virtually identified with Satan. Ultimately, it is Shemhazai who repents and Azazel who does not. This leads to subsequent legends about the evil-doings of Azazel. According to Yalkut Shimoni, Ishtahar became a star set among the seven stars of the Pleiades, while Shemhazai, hung upside down between heaven and earth, became the constellation Orion.

While most versions of this myth of the Sons of God focus on two angels who descended from heaven, the version in The Book of Enoch states that they descended with an order of angels, as follows:

THE WATCHERS

There are those who say that Shemhazai and Azazel were not the only angels who descended to the face of the earth. Instead, Shemhazai was the leader of two hundred angels, known as the Watchers, a high order of angels who never slept. Before they descended, these angels swore an oath, binding themselves together. But when the angels fell from their holy estate, they were reduced in stature as well as in strength, and their fiery substance became flesh.

At first the fallen angels intended to instruct the people in the ways of righteousness. But when they saw the beautiful daughters of men, they lusted after them, and chose wives from among them. And the children born from this union were giants.

Each of the angels, not only Shemhazai and Azazel, revealed secrets of heaven, teaching incantations and the cutting of roots, astrology and the knowledge of signs. So too did these angels sin with anyone they desired, men as well as women, humans as well as beasts. Before long, everything on earth became corrupted, and God ordered these fallen angels to be rooted out and bound in chains in the depths of the earth.

Still others say that Shemhazai and Azazel, alone among the angels, assumed bodily form when they descended to this world. As for the other fallen angels, they took the form of he-goats, serving as mounts for Shemhazai and Azazel. Later they were all cast into an abyss, where they still remain, imprisoned, until the end of time.

The earliest embellishments of this biblical legend are found in The Book of Jubilees 5:1-13 and 1 Enoch: 6-14. The Book of Jubilees does not specify how many angels descended from heaven to earth. In 1 Enoch it says that there were two hundred angels, instead of only two, Shemhazai (also known as Aza) and Azazel. In 1 Enoch Shemhazai is described as the overall leader, along with sixteen other leaders among the angels. In addition to Shemhazai, the leaders of the rebellious angels were Rame'el, Tam'el, Ram'el, Dan'el, Ezekiel, Barakyal, As'el, Armaros, Batar'el, Anan'el, Zak'el, Sasomaspe'el, Kestar'el, Tur'el, Yamayol, and Azazel. In many ways, this legend of the fallen angels is the Promethean myth in Judaism, in that the angels reveal not only dark secrets of heaven, but also secrets of the natural universe, which God had never intended for man to know.

The myth of the Sons of God and the daughters of men also provides one more useful identification—that of the mysterious identity of Azazel. In Leviticus 16:8, 10 and 16 there are references to sending a scapegoat to Azazel on Yom Kippur: But the goat, on which the lot fell for Azazel, shall be set alive before the Lord, to make atonement over him, to send him away for Azazel into the wilderness (Lev 16:10). This Azazel is usually identified as another name for Satan. Even today, Israelis tell someone to “Go to Hell!” by saying “Lekh le-Azazel!” Thus the myths of the descent of the two angels provides an explanation as to the identity and punishment of Azazel, the angel who refused to repent and thus was chained upside-down in a canyon, where he continued to plot evil deeds, as in the following tale:

THE LAIR OF AZAZEL

The generation of the deluge learned the ways of evil from the fallen angel Azazel. He taught men how to make deadly weapons and women how to arouse the desires of men. They followed his teachings until the whole earth became corrupt. Therefore, at the time of the deluge, God commanded the angel Raphael to bind Azazel hand and foot and cast him into the darkness. Therefore Raphael made a hole in the desert Dudael, beyond the Mountains of Darkness, and cast Azazel there, chained upside down in the dark.

Even there, Azazel did not repent, but was consumed by thoughts of revenge. Using the power of dreams, he sought out an evil sorcerer, and commanded him to come to him. First this sorcerer had to find his way to the Mountains of Darkness. There he was met by a demon in the shape of a cat, with the head of a fiery serpent, and two tails. The magicians then took a bowl containing the ashes of a white [censored], and cast the ashes at the cat-like demon. Then the demon leads him to the place where Azazel was chained. There he lit incense and stepped on the chain of Azazel three times. Then he closed his eyes, fell to his knees, and worshipped the fallen angel. That is when Azazel began to speak, revealing the darkest mysteries for fifty days. By then there was none among the living with a greater mastery of evil. Bowing farewell, the evil sorcerer was lead out of the Mountains of Darkness by the cat-like demon with the head of a fiery serpent. He, in turn, revealed the secret of where Azazel was hidden to other sorcerers, who sought out the fallen angel, and were tutored by him in the ways of evil. Thus did the black arts make their way into the world.

While 1 Enoch singles out Azazel for punishment in the desert Dudael, the version of this legend found in Emek ha-Melekh identifies both Aza (Shemhazai) and Azazel as being chained together there. This contradicts most versions of the legend, in which Shemhazai repents, and hangs himself (or is hung by God) upside down between heaven and earth, while it is Azazel alone who remains unrepentant, and takes on a role quite similar to that of Satan. Azazel can also linked to Lucifer, the angel who was cast out of heaven.

Some sources, such as Zohar 2:157b, interpret the references to “Azazel” in Leviticus as referring to a mountain called Azazel, not a fallen angel. This mountain was said to be a great and mighty one, and below it depths unimaginable, where no man has ever gone. There the Other Side has unshackled power. It is clear that the offering of the scapegoat in this ritual is the remnant of some kind of sacrifice to an evil god in order to satiate it.

All in all, the myth of the Sons of God and daughters of men is quite useful in the way it provides midrashic explanations for many problems: the identity of the Sons of God in Genesis 6, the reason for the corruption of the generation of the Flood, the origin of giants, an astrological explanations for the star that Ishtahar became and the constellation of Orion, linked to Shemhazi when he hung himself upside down, as well as the identity of Azazel. The original biblical myth only provided a few of these explanations, but the rabbinic embellishments added many others, as well as some memorable stories about lustful angels and the brave virgin Ishtahar.

SOURCES

The Star Maiden
Yalkut Shimoni, Gen. 44.
Midrash Abkir, in A. Jellenik, Beit ha-Midrash, 4:127-128.
The Book of Jubilees 4:15, 4:22, 5:1-3.
Midrash Tanhuma Buber 23-24, 45, 131.
1 Enoch 14.
Yalkut Shimoni, Gen 44.
Bereshit Rabbati 29-30.
Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer 22.
Oral version from the Israel Folktale Archives (IFA):
IFA 10856, collected by Ahuva Baner from Shmuel Nohi of Persian Kurdistan, published in Hodesh Hodesh ve-Sippuro 1976-1977, edited by Dov Noy (Jerusalem: 1979)

The Watchers
The Book of Jubilees 4:15, 5:1-3, 5:5-7.
1 Enoch 6:7.
Pirke de Rabbi Eliezer 12.

The Lair of Azazel
1 Enoch 8-10.
Emek ha-Melech 108b.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14