I actually agree with Roseanne on something

[Rubystars]

She publicly outs the MK ULTRA programming active in Hollywood stars/entertainment industry. Still call this a "conspiracy theory?" It's real people. Believe it or not! MONARCH survivors are out there and many are still being actively controlled by handlers.

[drlmg]

Interesting! I tried to find info on the subject but doesn't appear to be very helpful. Do you have any suggestions as to where I could read reliable information on the subject?

Thank You

[Rubystars]

Interesting! I tried to find info on the subject but doesn't appear to be very helpful. Do you have any suggestions as to where I could read reliable information on the subject?

Thank You

There are many interviews floating around out there from survivors of the programming. Corey Feldman talked about it too. People who were victims often have some kind of symbolism on them as a sort of coded language to other handlers, but not always.

Here's the gist of it though from what I've been able to gain listening to interviews of victims and research from as credible of sources as I could find (You do have to be careful, and sift through the information).

Under a certain age the child is exposed to extreme trauma. Sometimes this is done on an occultic holiday such as Samhain or Beltaine or Walpurgisnacht or Ostara but it can happen at any time as well. The programmer traumatizes the child so badly (through violence, often sexual, and dark imagery) that their mind can not handle the trauma as a single person and the mind splits into sub-personalities which can then be further programmed for particular tasks.

These practices go back at least to ancient Egypt but the modern version of it was perfected as it were in Nazi concentration camps.

Not everyone is able to split. Those who simply go crazy or are unusable to the handlers because they can't split are sometimes killed or used to further traumatize other programming victims. A victim may be forced to kill another child or see that other child abused or killed in front of them as part of the traumatizing process.

After the Nazis were defeated there were programs to bring them over to work secretly in other countries. One of those countries was the USA. The Nazis were brought in under Operation Paperclip. Most people know that they worked on rocketry, engineering, and the Manhattan project, as well as medical research. What many people don't know is that the Nazi scientists who were working on mind control techniques also continued their trauma-based mind control experiments in the USA under project MONARCH which was a sub-division of the larger MK-ULTRA (Mind Kontrolle Ultra).

MK Ultra itself has been openly admitted to, but MONARCH still is not openly admitted to, except by the victims who speak out about it!

When a child splits one personality might be taught "Twilight languages" which are secret languages known only to the programmer or his or her group, or are occult languages used for rituals. In the past when this was happening for the first time in the USA and the programming was done by Nazis, it was very common for at least one of the sub-personalities to be able to speak German while the other personalities could not speak it.

Some of the sub-personalities could simply be sleepers, ready to be triggered. Someone at Fort Hood for example could get a phone call. The person on the other end of the line could say a phrase or word, for example "Red Rover", and the sub-personality would hear that, emerge, and carry out their programming, with the main personality being none-the-wiser.

Some of the sub-personalities could be a "sex kitten" personality. This is often what happens in the child porn industry. A child will have a personality that is programmed to do sexual things with adults. Only this sub-personality holds these memories. The main child personality does not consciously know about or remember what happened during the making of the CP movie. They go to school and appear as a healthy, happy, normal child to neighbors and teachers because the main personality doesn't know what happened. However when the sex kitten personality is triggered that one comes forward and that is the part of the mind that holds the memories of the sexual abuse during the child pornography filming. This is one way that abusers hide their tracks.

As Roseanne and Corey Feldman pointed out, this sexual abuse and mind control is rampant in the entertainment/Hollywood industry, from the top down.

[Spiraling Leopard]

RT is part of the mindcontrol cult.

[Rubystars]

According to the Wikipedia entry on Cathy O'Brien, "Because most MKULTRA records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by order of then CIA Director Richard Helms, it has been difficult, if not impossible, for investigators to gain a complete understanding of the more than 150 individually funded research sub-projects sponsored by MKULTRA and related CIA programs.["

What we do have are victim testimonials both from the time of MK ULTRA and even more recent victims as this has now gone on multi-generationally.

[Rubystars]

[Rubystars]

Until you guys understand MK ULTRA and MONARCH you will never figure out what's going on in politics.

There are many different levels of mind control programming through this society and the trauma-based mind control is one extreme end of that, but to some degree we have all been subjected to political mind control programming.

Let's look at a less extreme example and a different type of programming. The young people of today now consider being against homosexual marriage for example to be hateful and homophobic. Where did they get this idea? They were programmed by tv, by what their teachers at school taught them, through movies, through games, through sex education programs, through public service announcements, through music, etc. This type of programming changed the opinion of almost an entire age group.

Until you understand to some degree mind control, both in the extreme and the everyday, and how all of us have been affected by this to one degree or another, you will never get to the bottom of our political problems!

[kyel]

If you look at Roseanne's twitter she is oddly pro-Israel and somewhat religious.

[Rubystars]

If you look at Roseanne's twitter she is oddly pro-Israel and somewhat religious.

Since she's been active in speaking out against the sex slavery in Hollywood and even specifically mentioned MK ULTRA, she may end up "committing suicide" in the future. I hope that won't happen to her but it could. She needs to make it very clear publicly that she is NOT suicidal.

[drlmg]

I see social, political, cultural, etc. programming blatantly at work today.... and I believe it is inevitably much worse than what I actually see or am aware of. I never imagined there were things like what you speak of (MK ULTRA and MONARCH) but I certainly believe it is entirely possible, and from what you say, is actually happening. I knew about Operation Paperclip and how Nazi scientists were completely absolved of all wrongdoings if they cooperated.

I think back to all the incidents of Hollywood stars bringing up bizarre allegations over the years and now think there must be something to it if that many unrelated and similar allegations occur.

I have heard of a lot of things that initially I thought were absurd rantings of a paranoid lunatic that to my shock were later found to be true.

An example (sort of, I wasn't even alive then but it is good example) would be when Joe McCarthy was alleging that communists had infiltrated the US government. He was ridiculed and accused of being a paranoid fool but years later it was proven that he was correct. I think the same will happen in regards to oBumma and muslims, how he is supporting and advancing the muslim cause and undermining our country for that purpose.

[Rubystars]

I see social, political, cultural, etc. programming blatantly at work today.... and I believe it is inevitably much worse than what I actually see or am aware of. I never imagined there were things like what you speak of (MK ULTRA and MONARCH) but I certainly believe it is entirely possible, and from what you say, is actually happening. I knew about Operation Paperclip and how Nazi scientists were completely absolved of all wrongdoings if they cooperated.

Not only were they absolved. They were encouraged to continue the experimentation they had begun under the Nazi regime. Many documents have been destroyed making it hard to provide concrete proof, but many victims have also spoken out.

One of my relatives was a multiple and I believe she may have been ritually abused. So this may be more personal to me than it is to other people. I wanted to know what had made her that way and it took a lot of research and listening to the testimonies of many people who say they were victims to piece it together.

One person might be lying, but there are so many victims. Some people say there were "batches" of babies born to give test subjects for these programs. 

Many people say that their parents might have been caught looking at child porn, and in order to avoid prosecution they were told to give their own child over to the program, which would give them immunity. This is also something that was repeated by many survivors.

Other people had parents who had no idea what was going on but the children were being trafficked or abused outside of the parent's knowledge.
 

I think back to all the incidents of Hollywood stars bringing up bizarre allegations over the years and now think there must be something to it if that many unrelated and similar allegations occur.

Yes, one person might be lying or making something up. This isn't just one person though. Lots of people are speaking up about this. 

I have heard of a lot of things that initially I thought were absurd rantings of a paranoid lunatic that to my shock were later found to be true.

I think the guiding principle here is that we should keep an open mind, but not so open that our brains fall out. I don't think there would be so many victims speaking out if there wasn't something to it.

An example (sort of, I wasn't even alive then but it is good example) would be when Joe McCarthy was alleging that communists had infiltrated the US government. He was ridiculed and accused of being a paranoid fool but years later it was proven that he was correct. I think the same will happen in regards to oBumma and muslims, how he is supporting and advancing the muslim cause and undermining our country for that purpose.

Not only have they infiltrated the government but they have infiltrated every major institution in Western culture. The major churches, many synagogues, the school systems, the institution of marriage, medical care, medical ethics, philosophy, universities, science programs, etc.