Restraining Orders on 'Extremists' Before Papal Visit

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/180891#.U3z-7dKSw1I

Restraining Orders on 'Extremists' Before Papal Visit

'Right-wing activists' to be put on house arrest during papal visit, police announce. Are efforts to ramp up security going too far?

By Tova Dvorin
First Publish: 5/21/2014, 8:52 PM

The Israeli police have put several right-wing Jewish 'extremists' on  house arrest during Pope Francis's upcoming visit, international media reports Wednesday, after the Vatican has expressed concerns about the pope's safety in the wake of "price tag" attacks.

"The police and Shin Bet (security service) have taken out restraining orders against several right-wing activists, who according to information from Shin Bet are planning to commit provocative acts during the pope's visit," Police spokesman Luba Samri told AFP.

The papacy has been up in arms over 'price tag' attacks, a euphemism for politically-motivated vandalism and criminal damage usually attributed to Jewish extremists, carried out either in revenge for Arab terrorist attacks, or in protest of Israeli government policies such as the destruction of Jewish homes in Judea and Samaria. 

"The bishops are very concerned about the lack of security and lack of responsiveness from the political sector, and fear an escalation of violence," it said in a statement earlier this month, noting there had been "no gesture of solidarity or condemnation" from Israel's political establishment. "We feel neither safe nor protected."

Police have already stated that they will deploy an extra 8,000 officers in Jerusalem alone during the visit, in an effort to assuage Rome's fears.

In addition, the Defense Ministry has already silenced at least one well-known Temple Institute official, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, for organizing protests against the Vatican's involvement with King David's Tomb while the Pope is in Israel.

It is not known if the Patriarchate has issued any kind of statement regarding the persecution of Christians in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority(PA).

The Vatican seems to be dismissing threats against Christians in the PA, however - as Pope Francis is due to ride through Bethlehem and other dangerous areas in an open, unarmed convoy.

[muman613]

This is outrageous. Infringing on Jewish peoples rights without probable cause runs against HUMAN RIGHTS laws. The Israeli police should be brought to the Hague international court for engaging in such FASCIST and NAZIish behavior.

Shame on Israel and Shame on it's leaders... We have a lot to be ashamed of today.
 

[muman613]

This is the most evil and vile Catholic church in recent history. This Begoglio is shaping up to be (as Lewinsky Stinks is wont to say) BegGOGlio. He represents a church with a long and disgusting history of inflaming Jew hatred around the world. He expresses solidarity with blood thirsty terrorists who are foaming at the mouth to kill as many Jews as possible. Maybe the church sees islam as the next best thing to nazi-ism (which the church supported because it fell in line with their theology that the Jewish people were to be destroyed for not accepting their messiah). So now this church takes up arms against the Jewish people who have returned to their home land, promised by the word of G-d himself.

The church is the enemy of G-ds people, the Church is to be condemned, may the Vatican burn!

[muman613]

If Israel had TRUE Jewish leaders this piece of drek pope would not be allowed to set foot in Israel. He and his Church would be booted from the Tomb of King David, and the treasures of the Holy Temple would be demanded in order to prevent the church from being decimated.

[muman613]

If an arab (G-d willing) should kill this evil man it would stand to reason Israel and Jews would be blamed...

[cjd]

If Israel had TRUE Jewish leaders this piece of drek pope would not be allowed to set foot in Israel. He and his Church would be booted from the Tomb of King David, and the treasures of the Holy Temple would be demanded in order to prevent the church from being decimated.

Lord have mercy... You muman have done what no other living person  has done in the past 40 years give new found respect for the RCC and it's policies... I may even go to a Sunday mass for the first time in 40 years or so years     It's the government of Israel that is selling their tuckis to the Gentiles for the filthy tourist dollar... Not only have they bent over for the RCC but far worse the have bent over for for the gay and she male crowd... Personally I think the party is over so to speak... People are always quick to say America has sealed it's faith by transgressing however I tend to believe Israel is now playing with fire by going down the same road.

[muman613]

Lord have mercy... You muman have done what no other living person  has done in the past 40 years give new found respect for the RCC and it's policies... I may even go to a Sunday mass for the first time in 40 years or so years     It's the government of Israel that is selling their tuckis to the Gentiles for the filthy tourist dollar... Not only have they bent over for the RCC but far worse the have bent over for for the gay and she male crowd... Personally I think the party is over so to speak... People are always quick to say America has sealed it's faith by transgressing however I tend to believe Israel is now playing with fire by going down the same road.

So why do you continue to support Israel if you feel this way? Or did you ever really support Israel?

Don't you think it is odd you consider yourself Catholic but have not attended mass in 40 years? Most reform Jews at least go to services two times a year (Passover and Yom Kippur)...

[cjd]

So why do you continue to support Israel if you feel this way? Or did you ever really support Israel?

Don't you think it is odd you consider yourself Catholic but have not attended mass in 40 years? Most reform Jews at least go to services two times a year (Passover and Yom Kippur)...

It's not a social club it's a religion... Why make a farce attending for selected hollidays

[muman613]

It's not a social club it's a religion... Why make a farce attending for selected hollidays

Your understanding of Judaism is flawed. Judaism is not a religion... It is a nation/people who have been commanded to observe the commands of Hashem. The church is what makes your religion a social club.

[muman613]

cjd will not read this, but to explain why Jews are commanded to make three pilgrimages to Jerusalem a year... In exile this has been translated into observing these three pilgrimages with services in shul.

http://www.aish.com/atr/Three_Pilgrimage_Festivals.html

Three Pilgrimage Festivals
The Bible speaks about the entire Jewish nation going to Jerusalem for the three pilgrimage festivals. Is that still practiced today?

The Aish Rabbi Replies:

From a technical standpoint, it was only when the Temple was standing that people were required to appear three times annually and bring an offering – on Passover, Sukkot and Shavuot. (Shulchan Aruch O.C. 117:1; Nodeh BiYehuda O.C. 94; Chasam Sofer Y.D. 233; Yabia Omer O.C. 5:15; Tzitz Eliezer 10:1)

Nevertheless, citing the Midrash from Shir HaShirim, some opinions maintain that coming today to see the Temple Mount and the Western Wall still applies on the pilgrimage festivals (Ran – Ta’anit 7a; She'alat Ya'avetz 1:87; Yechaveh Daas 1:25; Teshuvah Kol Mevaser 2:10).

Whatever the case, today many tens of thousands of people make a point to come visit the site of the Temple and the Western Wall during the festival days. The Aish Center, whose spectacular rooftop terrace rises seven stories above the Western Wall Plaza, offers a particularly unique vantage point to fulfill this.

Your question also raises a unique aspect of pilgrimage that I think you'll enjoy:

Imagine we're a committee writing the Bible. If we made up a law that all the men in Israel are required to go to Jerusalem and visit the Temple, three times each year on the pilgrimage holidays, do you think it's a good idea?

On one hand, it unites the people. They get inspired to gather as a nation and see the priestly service in the Temple.

Why is it a bad idea?

If all the men are in Jerusalem, who's going to guard the land? What will happen when the enemies find out that no one is protecting the borders? It won't take long for them to figure out that three times a year the Jews leave themselves wide open to attack.

Of course, we could send the men in shifts, as opposed to all at once. But the Torah is very clear: "Three times each year, all your males shall present themselves before God, the Master and Lord of Israel" (Exodus 34:23).

And if one might think that is the making of a national tragedy, the very next verse promises: "[N]o one will be envious of your land when you go to be seen in God's presence" (Exodus 34:24).

In other words, don’t worry. God will make sure that no one will even think of attacking you! Who in their right mind would write this? The one thing the author of the Bible knows for sure is that he can't control the thoughts of their enemies, never mind the bullets!

Why take such an outlandish risk? Did the author actually expect the people to say, "Oh, that's a great idea; everybody'll just leave and we'll be unprotected. No problem." And even if by some fluke, the people swallow it, after the first pilgrimage or two, they're out of business, assuming they're still alive!

Which brings us to an astounding conclusion: Not only does this pilgrimage idea demonstrate that God has supernatural control, but simple psychology forces us to ask who else but God could write such a thing and expect people to accept it?

This is just another piece of evidence substantiating God as the Author of the Torah.

[Manch]

If Israel had TRUE Jewish leaders this piece of drek pope would not be allowed to set foot in Israel. He and his Church would be booted from the Tomb of King David, and the treasures of the Holy Temple would be demanded in order to prevent the church from being decimated.

Is Israel had true Jewish leaders, me and you, my friend, would be living in Israel and Shelly Dadon would be starting her new job while Fogel family would be gathering around the table. The scum of the Earth that Jews nominate is their leader is a true representation of our pathetic people.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Is Israel had true Jewish leaders, me and you, my friend, would be living in Israel and Shelly Dadon would be starting her new job while Fogel family would be gathering around the table. The scum of the Earth that Jews nominate is their leader is a true representation of our pathetic people.

 Don't turn into a self hater. The truth is that the State is a police State. "Democracy" like most "democracies" are all a mockery.

[cjd]

Your understanding of Judaism is flawed. Judaism is not a religion... It is a nation/people who have been commanded to observe the commands of Hashem. The church is what makes your religion a social club.

Not to detract from any other religions however billions of Roman Catholic's  can't be on the wrong track... The RCC I grew up in always said each religion had merit in it's own rite... They went out of their way to teach their followers the basics of the other major religions.... Which is far more than i can't say for it's competitors. 

[muman613]

Not to detract from any other religions however billions of Roman Catholic's  can't be on the wrong track... The RCC I grew up in always said each religion had merit in it's own rite... They went out of their way to teach their followers the basics of the other major religions.... Which is far more than i can't say for it's competitors.

I only am concerned when the Church has goals which conflict with the goals of the Jewish faith.

[Lisa]

What if people were to call the Israeli embassy to protest against putting these right wing people under house arrest?  And the same thing for handing over King David's tomb to the Vatican.

[Israel Chai]

Lord have mercy... You muman have done what no other living person  has done in the past 40 years give new found respect for the RCC and it's policies... I may even go to a Sunday mass for the first time in 40 years or so years     It's the government of Israel that is selling their tuckis to the Gentiles for the filthy tourist dollar... Not only have they bent over for the RCC but far worse the have bent over for for the gay and she male crowd... Personally I think the party is over so to speak... People are always quick to say America has sealed it's faith by transgressing however I tend to believe Israel is now playing with fire by going down the same road.

Don't know how he did that, but you kind of have a point. If we were ruled by the laws of nature, for sure we'd be dead. Hopefully we make teshuva before Hashem does what he said he'd do to prevent that...

It's not a social club it's a religion... Why make a farce attending for selected hollidays

Religion isn't a Jewish concept. And we do what we do because the creator of the universe told us to.

Don't turn into a self hater. The truth is that the State is a police State. "Democracy" like most "democracies" are all a mockery.

Well there's democracy in Judaism to an extent. Even if there was a 100% torah observant democracy, since we can't put up a king anyways, it wouldn't be bad. Monarchy and despotism can be just as good as the best republic. It all comes down to the people on top and the people they rule, if they're good it's good, if not it's lame.

Not to detract from any other religions however billions of Roman Catholic's  can't be on the wrong track... The RCC I grew up in always said each religion had merit in it's own rite... They went out of their way to teach their followers the basics of the other major religions.... Which is far more than i can't say for it's competitors. 

Yeah Abraham sort of made fun of idolaters whenever he could, so we don't really do that, or consider it righteous, but I'm more concerned with pisslam now than Catholics. Still this event shows especially that appeasing them is as catastrophic as with anyone else.

What if people were to call the Israeli embassy to protest against putting these right wing people under house arrest?  And the same thing for handing over King David's tomb to the Vatican.

I swear I'll join and try and get others if you're down.

[Manch]

Don't turn into a self hater. The truth is that the State is a police State. "Democracy" like most "democracies" are all a mockery.

what in my post would indicate that I am turning into a self hater?  Not all democracies are a mockery - American, certainly is not. But that wasn't even my point. Look, no people on the face of the Earth would allow mortal enemies to walk all over them and to elect traitors into the government. Joshua is spinning in his grave when he sees Amalektites controlling his grave site and our vicious enemies taking control over the tomb of David.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

what in my post would indicate that I am turning into a self hater?  Not all democracies are a mockery - American, certainly is not. But that wasn't even my point. Look, no people on the face of the Earth would allow mortal enemies to walk all over them and to elect traitors into the government. Joshua is spinning in his grave when he sees Amalektites controlling his grave site and our vicious enemies taking control over the tomb of David.

  American democracy is also a mockery. I don't want to get into that now but its mostly a joke. Its all big business who has the control and not "the people", not that I'm saying that the people also always make the correct choices either, but still. Its mainly about corporations and businesses and the campaign $ they spend etc.
 

[muman613]

It is not honest to believe that America is a democracy. It never was intended to be a democracy.

The Constitution established a Constitutional Republic which differs from democracy in that we elect leaders who represent us (or are supposed to), they go on an vote according to their beliefs (and the hope that it is what their constituents want in hopes of re-election). Democracy means "One person One vote" on everything. The president is not voted by popular vote but rather by electoral college. PJTV recently discussed how democrats want to establish a 'mob rules' type of democracy where whoever is the majority can make the rules. Republics protect the rights of the minorities, democracies become self-consuming hell holes.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Not to detract from any other religions however billions of Roman Catholic's  can't be on the wrong track... The RCC I grew up in always said each religion had merit in it's own rite... They went out of their way to teach their followers the basics of the other major religions.... Which is far more than i can't say for it's competitors.

 Billions? Really that's how many their are? Anyway numbers doesn't make something correct or incorrect. Their are also about the same amount of Muslims, does that make them correct. And about the same amount of Buddhists as well. Numbers don't mean a think especially unto religions that spread especially through force and Xtianity also spread through force and "submission" just like islam.
 
 Anyway this is the church now. Mainly because many of its followers put them in their place (to an extent that is). You think if they would be openly calling for "jihad" (so to speak) like the Mooslims do that their will be many followers of it? Also the Pope and the Church says no to divorce, no to contraceptives how many Catholics actually listen to them? The Church is nothing these days but an organization that people just send their $ to and that has a lot of real estate and such and they still want more especially from Israel.

[muman613]

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html

America is a Constitutional Republic . . . NOT a Democracy
 
By Daneen G. Peterson, Ph.D.
Speech Given September 9, 2006 in Salt Lake City, Utah
 
How often have you heard people refer to America as a Democracy?  When was the last time that you heard America referred to as a Republic?   There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word "democracy".
 
Many people are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy.  They understood that the only entity that can take away the people's freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life.

They knew very well the meaning of the word "democracy", and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves.  In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People.  Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.

A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc.  The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government.  It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.

The goal of a Constitutional Republic was to avoid the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy but what exists in America today is a far cry from the Constitutional Republic our forefathers brought forth.

Today we have DO have a mobocracy occurring in our streets all across America.  Sadly, such mobocracy or 'mob rule' was endorsed and encouraged by Sen. John McCain who praised the recent wave of pro-illegal immigration demonstrations by saying . . . "if the protesters hang tough they will succeed in forcing Congress to liberalize immigration laws.  If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon . . . The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail.'   He was of course referring to the Senate's massive illegal-alien amnesty bill S. 2611 which did in fact, pass.  Was S. 2611 passed to appease the mob? If so, it is a perfect example of rule by mobocracy!

Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution states:  "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each  of them against Invasion . . .

Not only is our Constitution being ignored, the exact OPPOSITE is being encourage by John McCain and seconded  by ALL those who voted for S. 2611 in the Senate.  If you want to preserve the Constitutional Republic you should vote out of office . . . every single senator that voted for S. 2611.

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[Manch]

It is not honest to believe that America is a democracy. It never was intended to be a democracy.

The Constitution established a Constitutional Republic which differs from democracy in that we elect leaders who represent us (or are supposed to), they go on an vote according to their beliefs (and the hope that it is what their constituents want in hopes of re-election). Democracy means "One person One vote" on everything. The president is not voted by popular vote but rather by electoral college. PJTV recently discussed how democrats want to establish a 'mob rules' type of democracy where whoever is the majority can make the rules. Republics protect the rights of the minorities, democracies become self-consuming hell holes.

Nonsense

[Manch]

  American democracy is also a mockery. I don't want to get into that now but its mostly a joke. Its all big business who has the control and not "the people", not that I'm saying that the people also always make the correct choices either, but still. Its mainly about corporations and businesses and the campaign $ they spend etc.

Completely disagree

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

It is not honest to believe that America is a democracy. It never was intended to be a democracy.

The Constitution established a Constitutional Republic which differs from democracy in that we elect leaders who represent us (or are supposed to), they go on an vote according to their beliefs (and the hope that it is what their constituents want in hopes of re-election). Democracy means "One person One vote" on everything. The president is not voted by popular vote but rather by electoral college. PJTV recently discussed how democrats want to establish a 'mob rules' type of democracy where whoever is the majority can make the rules. Republics protect the rights of the minorities, democracies become self-consuming hell holes.

True!

[muman613]

Nonsense

No, it is the truth... Read the Constitution (are you aware of this very important document).... It never was intended to be a democracy... Do you know what democracy means? The United States is a Constitutional Republic no matter what the liberal left professors fed you.