Thoughts on the Las Vegas 'Revolution' murders?

[muman613]

Shalom,

Is there any particular reason we have not started discussing what happened last weekend in Las Vegas?

From what I have heard a couple (a man and his wife) who have been labelled various appellations (including 'right-wing', neo-nazi, white supremacist, anti-government, 'patriot militants') went into a Pizza restaurant to shoot 2 police officers who were eating their lunch. After killing them they draped one officers body in a 'don't tread on me' flag and the other dead officer was left with a note... They fled across the street to a Walmart where a citizen who had a concealed weapon tried to take down the male perp but was shot by the woman (who he did not know was involved at the time)... They then shot another Walmart customer before the woman shot her husband, and then herself (murder/suicide)....

The police investigating said this couple had made facebook postings against the government, had nazi swastika flags in their apartment, were known to their neighbors to harbor violent behavior. This couple went to support Cliven Bundy on his ranch but according to reports he was 'too violent' for that crowd.

The media has used this event, as all such shootings in recent memory, to paint the 'right wing' as a bunch of terrorists. This is what I fear is the worst aspect of this tragic event. That those who do not agree with the administration will possibly be labeled as 'extreme' and in the category of these deranged people who shot up the officers in Las Vegas.

Of course the 'alex jones's' of the world immediately consider this event a 'false flag' (which they also called 9/11 and other tragic events). I think these conspiracy theories are insane, and it hurts the families of those who have been killed. The world is full of crazies who do crazy things. To think they are all 'false flags' in nothing short of paranoid delusional.


Here are some news clips of the event...





Here is one with anti-right-wing bias...

[muman613]

As you can see this couple harbored a lot of hatred. Hatred which expressed itself in violence.

We must never allow hatred to rise to this level. People who have mental illness act like this.

But again, in this situation, I do not know what the answer is. Is there an answer to this? How many people will die in this crazy revolution? I am afraid more people are going to 'go off the deep end' and start violently relating to their neighbors.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I don't know what to believe Muman. If these events really happened as stated then clearly the murderers were radical LEFTISTS. But just because Alex Jones, etc. are Nazis doesn't mean that there may not be something deeper going on than what we are told.

[muman613]

How are they leftists? They were well known among their community as supporting all the white supremacist organizations.

It will be hard to explain this as being the doings of leftists...

[muman613]

I don't know what to believe Muman. If these events really happened as stated then clearly the murderers were radical LEFTISTS. But just because Alex Jones, etc. are Nazis doesn't mean that there may not be something deeper going on than what we are told.

I hate to ask this but I hope you do not believe 9/11 was a 'false flag' operation?

[muman613]

Here the 'illuminati' are responsible for the 'revolution' murder 'hoax'...

[muman613]

[muman613]

This video discusses just what I was talking about in my original post.... That the media will use this against anyone who speaks out against the 'government'.

[muman613]

Let me hear the 'rational' conspiracy theory if there is one. I don't want to hear 'illuminati' nonsense. Also I want to understand who is it who benefits from this kind of event. It will not seriously damage free speech any more than any other murder. So who is to benefit from this?

[muman613]

I don't understand that previous video. The report is that SHE SHOT HIM... And SHE SHOT THE COPS....

How could this person say she was a non-violent person and blame her husband....

[muman613]

[muman613]

One more and then I would like to hear more opinions.

[angryChineseKahanist]

they're trash because they murdered innocent people.
they killed random people. those cops were not evil.

[Debbie Shafer]

These two were in no way friends or relatives of the Bundys.  They were asked to leave the ranch because they were causing trouble.  They said they were anti-government....then why did they go shoot the police who were having lunch, the police are there to help defend average citizens.   Just look at the list of Leftwing mental cases who cause this chaos over and over.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

It sounds like to me.... They were right wing idiot's. They were even thrown off the Bundy ranch for being loons and he was a felon. They seemed to be trying to get things stirred up.

I always thought we were on the same side as the military and state and local police...

You don't kill innocent people! You don't start it, you finish it!

All these idiot's did was give the left more ammo and make us look bad.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/09/video-emerges-of-las-vegas-cop-killer-speaking-at-bundy-ranch-why-he-and-his-wife-were-allegedly-kicked-out-during-standoff-with-feds/

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

בס''ד

Nazis are left-wing, not right-wing. These two beasts are Nazis who had swastikas in their apartment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkax_Q5FO0E

[Manch]

How are they leftists? They were well known among their community as supporting all the white supremacist organizations.

It will be hard to explain this as being the doings of leftists...

OMG, Muman!
after all these years on the forum and plethora of literature an evidences discussed, I can't believe you still think that national socialists are right wing! What part of their ideology is right wing?!

Please read "liberal faschism" By Jonah Goldberg

[muman613]

OMG, Muman!
after all these years on the forum and plethora of literature an evidences discussed, I can't believe you still think that national socialists are right wing! What part of their ideology is right wing?!

Please read "liberal faschism" By Jonah Goldberg

Huh? Your comment is coming from left field. I know, and have made several posts in the last few days in the comment sections of news sites, that the Nazis were socialists... But that has nothing to do with this event.

I don't think they were Nazis... I think they were right-wing geeks... We will see if this is the case, but all evidence is pointing in this direction.


White Supremacy in America comes from some 'right-wingers'... It surely is not a leftist movement.

[muman613]

Let me add that we should push this (Nazis were socialist) more and more to disassociate from these nut-cases.

Naziiism was a leftist movement.... The word NAZI comes from National Socialist Party and was a fascist (believing the state was the source of all) form of govenment (similar to the current administrations view of 'you did not make that')...

But in this case  these people were believing that they were American patriots who wanted to ensure the superiority of the white race by restricting immigration, making government smaller, and other points which are held by the right in politics. SO I do not believe these were leftists. It would take some real evidence for me to believe that.

[Manch]

Huh? Your comment is coming from left field. I know, and have made several posts in the last few days in the comment sections of news sites, that the Nazis were socialists... But that has nothing to do with this event.

I don't think they were Nazis... I think they were right-wing geeks... We will see if this is the case, but all evidence is pointing in this direction.


White Supremacy in America comes from some 'right-wingers'... It surely is not a leftist movement.

I disagree! Most white supremacist are all for total state control of economic distribution, for social fairness and overregations of the economy, I.e nazis.

[muman613]

I disagree! Most white supremacist are all for total state control of economic distribution, for social fairness and overregations of the economy, I.e nazis.

I have never seen these white supremacists. Most, if not all, call for evicting all non-white citizens (immigrants, etc.) and an anarchy based system of government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party

The White Patriot Party (WPP) was an American anti-Semitic white supremacist paramilitary political party associated with Christian Identity and the Ku Klux Klan. It was led by its founder, Frazier Glenn Miller Jr., through various organizational incarnations. The organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. It was involved in the incident in Greensboro, North Carolina when a confrontation between Klansmen, Nazis and communists left five people dead. The organization became the Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1980s and the White Patriot Party in 1985.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(group)

The Order was founded by Robert Jay Mathews in late September 1983 at Mathews' farm near Metaline, Washington.[1] Matthews was baptized into the Mormon faith as a high schooler. He formed the "Sons of Liberty", an anti-communist militia mostly made up of Mormon survivalists and bearing little resemblance to the historical organization of the same name. A fundamental goal of The Order was revolution against the American government, which its members, and those of other white supremacist groups, believed to be controlled by a cabal of prominent Jews. The Order was named after, and partly modeled on, a fictional group in William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries.[2] The Order's goals included the establishment of a homeland (now the Northwest Territorial Imperative) from which Jews and non-whites would be barred. They often referred to the United States federal government as ZOG, an acronym for Zionist Occupied Government. Members of the Order included Randy Evans, Gary Yarborough, Bruce Pierce, Denver Parmenter, Frank DeSilva (AKA Silva), Richard Scutari, David Lane, Randy Duey, and David Tate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

Aryan Nations is a white supremacist or "white Christian separatist" religious organization originally based in Hayden Lake, Idaho. Richard Girnt Butler founded the group in the 1970s, as an arm of the Christian Identity organization Church of Jesus Christ–Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",[1] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.[2]

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Some seem to be a hybrid of the left and right. Like extremist libertarians. They come off as right wing, but believe in Mein Kampf and the protocols of the elders of zion. They are Ron Paul and Alex Jones types. They believe Israel and America are the NWO and Jews are pulling the strings. Evangelicals are even Jews, just dressed as pagans to trick and convert people to the NWO.

Some are odenists, like this...
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/03/20/white-supremacist-running-holy-nation-of-odin-from-maximum-security-prison/
The Aryans and Odenists are and will all work together. ..

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Also, one thing we have to remember is, even though what they believe is wrong and incorrect. ...They believe it!

Just like Louis Farrakhan, preaches that Whites are the Northern Tribes of Israel. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. They want to kill us for it!

So "we"(Evangelicals, Noachide, and Jews) might as well stick together... Because they want too kill us and we're all we got!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

You can't be serious Muman...

[muman613]

You can't be serious Muman...

I know you don't.... But I don't give Alex Jones the time of day... Once you accept one of these conspiracy theories without sufficient evidence, then you begin to think everything is some kind of conspiracy. I cannot allow myself to descend to such a level.