Shalom

[Dan Ben Noah]

Shalom

[Irish Zionist]

Forcing people to pay for water (you can't live without it) is vile.
I only wish it on my enemies who I don't want to exist.

[Irish Zionist]

You are not just paying for the water, you are paying for the service, which includes sewage.

Why can't that be put on income tax?
Does America have private water companies or does the government control the  prices?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Forcing people to pay for water (you can't live without it) is vile.
I only wish it on my enemies who I don't want to exist.

You are joking?

Everyone has to pay for water, unless you go get It from the river yourself and purify It.

[Irish Zionist]

You are joking?

Everyone has to pay for water, unless you go get It from the river yourself and purify It.

You Americans just bend over and take it, I mean really any BS tax can be imposed on you & you'll pay it.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

You Americans just bend over and take it, I mean really any tax BS can be imposed on you & you'll pay it.

I agree.

We pay the county or city.

[Irish Zionist]

I agree.

We pay the county or city.

Is there any protests with new unjust tax's imposed or no resistance. Just curious.

[Irish Zionist]

The water and sewage service is provided by the city and you pay the city directly for it.  Where I live the bill also covers trash removal.  The service is not going to be free, someone is going to have to pay for it.  And it is not the role of government to provide these services for free.

Oh and why isn't it?
Drinking water is a human right is it not?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

You can have a well, but it might not be safe.

[Irish Zionist]

I think you have it backwards.  In Ireland apparently it is the taxpayers who pay for everyone's water (if taxes pay for water services) instead of the individual paying only for themselves. In other words, socialized water.

Yes we have some of that "socialized water".
But I'm not talking about Ireland, I'm talking about America.
Why do you think it's a good thing for people to have to pay for their water?
What happens if they can't afford it, let them die of thirst?
It's different if it's not life threatening which is why I say that drinking water is a human right.

[Irish Zionist]

Yes but you also need food to survive and it is not the government's role to give you free food (unless you are Obama's food stamp administration).  The government's role is mainly to protect people's lives and property from various threats such as crime as well as defending the country from outside threats.

It's different with food, you can shop around for different prices. With set water prices you can't.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Yes we have some of that "socialized water".
But I'm not talking about Ireland, I'm talking about America.
Why do you think it's a good thing for people to have to pay for their water?
What happens if they can't afford it, let them die of thirst?
It's different if it's not life threatening which is why I say that drinking water is a human right.

Yes. They need to figure it out on their own. You can get water. .. like I said wells, lakes, rivers, rain. If it's really bad go to the a rest stop or gas station and fill your jugs.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

We also vote on our city tax.

[Irish Zionist]

Well the people in Detroit who are not paying their water bills are not dying of thirst.  They already must either own land or rent apartments in order to have a water service in the first place.  If this is the case, they must have some money.  If they are dying of thirst they must be pretty poor stewards of that money--for example they may be dehydrated from too much booze, but that's not the taxpayer's fault.  If they really need water, there are plenty of public places with drinking fountains like libraries, or they could find a natural body of water or a friend who will give them something or a homeless shelter.

I know most of these are welfare bums who can afford to pay for water but why can't you see that taxing a basic human right is immoral?

[Irish Zionist]

We also vote on our city tax.

Don't give me that crap!
Waste of a vote if you ask me, one way or the other you'll be paying more tax.

[Irish Zionist]

It's about how it's paid for--either each individual pays for his own, or a few taxpayers pay for everyone.  Our system is still the individual paying for his own.  Your system is a few taxpayers paying for everyone, which is the same thing that is happening here with health care--liberals say health care is a human right, which it is not, the government does not owe you health care.  Similarly it is up to the individual to pay for his own water services and not the government or the U.N.

I'm not talking about healthcare, I'm taking about something you cannot live without.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

I'm not talking about healthcare, I'm taking about something you cannot live without.

You can get water anywhere.

[Irish Zionist]

You can get water anywhere.

I'm talking about clean drinking water.

[Irish Zionist]

It still has to be paid for some way.  So it's better for each individual household to pay for its share than a few tax payers paying for everyone.  This should apply to water, food, health care, any product that costs money.

Tell me this, if the air you breath had a charge on it would you bend over & pay that also?
The rational they would say is well look we're charging factories too much money to keep their pollution down.
Why can't the people who are breathing this clean air pay their way too?

[Irish Zionist]

Irish Zionist: Would you pay for the air you breath?
Dan Ben Noah: Yes
 

[kyel]

Many of these residents live solely off fruity sodas and cokes and probably have never drank water directly in their life. Also, I bet a lot of people's government checks, subsidies and drug money will start showing up to pay their water bills or they just mooch off their neighbors  or walk into gas stations and say gibs me water and grab whatever they please. Nobody is going to die from their water being cut off.

[Irish Zionist]

Many of these residents live solely off fruity sodas and cokes and probably have never drank water directly in their life. Also, I bet a lot of people's government checks, subsidies and drug money will start showing up to pay their water bills or they just mooch off their neighbors  or walk into gas stations and say gibs me water and grab whatever they please. Nobody is going to die from their water being cut off.

So only blacks live in Detroit?
Is that what you're saying?

[ChabadKahanist]

In the US if you are a renter you don't pay for water.
Only homeowners pay for water in the US.

[Zelhar]

I am not sure on which side I am on this argument. One thing I know is that I will not favor letting fellow citizens to die of thirst and hunger over principles. Whatever system we set, it must take care of those who truly provide for themselves. Technically speaking even without water supply to their homes these people will not lose all access to drinking water. They will just need to get them from public taps or buy water in tanker etc. Maybe they could shower in public showers and bath houses too. People used to live like that not so long ago. I do believe that water provision for poor people should be subsidized though. Maybe people who can't pay or refuse to pay should receive less water by cutting off supply for part of the day or setting a maximum daily quota.

[muman613]

Yes if there was a service involved in breathing but there is not so air is free.  However people who need special oxygen tanks don't get them for free.  Water is also free if you drink it straight out of a natural body of water.  But even the water you get is not free, someone is paying for it, it's just done by the taxpayers as a whole instead of the individual.

I have been saying for years that if the quality of air continues to decline eventually some smart guy will start bottling clean air and selling it...