English orthodox rabbi fasts for Ramadan!

[muman613]

In any case Jewish law requires a person to be warned at least once before he can be punished...

[muman613]

For some reference here are the Halachas as brought down by Rambam in Mishneh Torah, Sefer Kedusha...

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960647/jewish/Issurei-Biah-Chapter-One.htm

Halacha 1
When a person voluntarily engages in sexual relations with one of the arayot1 mentioned in the Torah, he is liable for kerait,2 as [Leviticus 18:29] states: "Whenever anyone performs any of these abominations, the souls will be cut off...." [The plural is used, referring to] the man and the woman.3If they transgressed unknowingly, they are liable to bring a fixed4 sin offering. There are some arayot with whom relations are punishable by execution5 in addition to kerait which is applicable in all cases.6

Halacha 2
With regard to the arayot that are punishable by execution by the court. If there were witnesses, they delivered a warning,7 and the transgressors did not cease their actions, they are executed through the means prescribed for them.

Halacha 3
Even if a transgressor was a Torah scholar neither execution or lashes is administered unless a warning was given. For [the obligation for] a warning was instituted universally only to make a distinction between a person who transgresses inadvertently and one who transgresses intentionally.8

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Halacha 7
All of the other arayot are punishable by kerait alone and are not punishable by execution by the court. Therefore if there were witnesses and a warning was administered, the court punishes them with lashes, for all those who are obligated for kerait are lashed.

[muman613]

Let me add again what I am trying to say here...

If he were to be tried by a Jewish court he would have to have been warned that his behavior was a transgression before doing it. I have yet to see the halachic decision that he is guilty of a crime deserving of what some are calling for here. Even though I disagree I do not assert that he is guiltless, just that I have not seen evidence that he is guilty of anything more than a foolish heart.

Simply having a meal (or lack thereof) with muslims does not make one a traitor to the Jewish people. If this were the case I guess I am guilty since I had Rosh Hashana feast with a muslim couple several years ago. While I was not happy with my table guests I recognized them and did not verbally insult them (although I am sure I gave them a not-so happy look)...

[muman613]

Let me add another thought..

I would recommend Jews not engage in these kinds of public displays of 'co-existance' with muslims. It does little to help the Jewish cause, and does a lot to help the cause of the muslims.

I also understand Chaim and others anger at this guy. I do not hold it against them to harbor ill thoughts about them. But I have explained how I am slow to curse others (especially Jews)... Please don't hold it against me.

[Zelhar]

A local Jewish court in the community he lives in CAN excommunicate (in hebrew we call it cherem) him and that means he will not be counted as part of minyan (10 for prayer) and will not be invited to the synagogue and will be shunned by Jews who adhere to that court. These things had been done before (I don't mean back in the days of sanhedrin but even to this day) although rarely and not always justifiably, but it can be done.

Is there a way to excommunicate these chazirs in Judaism?

[Every Jew AK47]

A local Jewish court in the community he lives in CAN excommunicate (in hebrew we call it cherem) him and that means he will not be counted as part of minyan (10 for prayer) and will not be invited to the synagogue and will be shunned by Jews who adhere to that court. These things had been done before (I don't mean back in the days of sanhedrin but even to this day) although rarely and not always justifiably, but it can be done.

Just fasting on Ramaden, alone, should NOT be grounds for expulsion, but actively seeking the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people should be.    IMO, any person who actively seeks the destruction of the Jewish people and Nation of Israel , as well as actively aids and helps the enemy that has murdered and harmed Jewish people is a traitor and has no part of the Jewish people.  He, IMO, as ChaimFan wrote earlier is worthy of the title "Cut Off From Your People".

Jacob Rosenblum, the Palestinian Nationalist, Anti-Israel, BDS Zealot is, IMO, worthy of such a title, as well as the Judenratt who helped Hitler round up Jews for the gas chambers, naively thinking they would be spared the same fate by complying.  Neturei Karta, also, IMO, are worthy of this punishment, as they have denied the Holocaust and have worked to fight against Israel and support the worst enemies of the Jewish people.  Many of the worst Anti-Semites use their Anti-Israel/Holocaust Denial protest pictures as some of their main propaganda, to try to prove that the evils of Zionism and Israel and how "Real Jews" are not suppose to support it.

However, this is my opinion and I am sure some will disagree.

Trying to "Co-Exist" with the enemy and be friendly I think is foolish, but not worthy of being ex-communicated or being stripped of your Jewish identity or thrown out of your Jewish community.

[Zelhar]

Yes I agree that "just fasting on Ramadan", odd practice as it may be for a  Jewish Rabbi might not be reason enough. We have reason to believe that "rabbi" is not just fasting, he is probably an avowed leftist firster in the custom of orthodox Jew.

Just fasting on Ramaden, alone, should NOT be grounds for expulsion, but actively seeking the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people should be.    IMO, any person who actively seeks the destruction of the Jewish people and Nation of Israel , as well as actively aids and helps the enemy that has murdered and harmed Jewish people is a traitor and has no part of the Jewish people.  He, IMO, as ChaimFan wrote earlier is worthy of the title "Cut Off From Your People".

Jacob Rosenblum, the Palestinian Nationalist, Anti-Israel, BDS Zealot is, IMO, worthy of such a title, as well as the Judenratt who helped Hitler round up Jews for the gas chambers, naively thinking they would be spared the same fate by complying.  Neturei Karta, also, IMO, are worthy of this punishment, as they have denied the Holocaust and have worked to fight against Israel and support the worst enemies of the Jewish people.  Many of the worst Anti-Semites use their Anti-Israel/Holocaust Denial protest pictures as some of their main propaganda, to try to prove that the evils of Zionism and Israel and how "Real Jews" are not suppose to support it.

However, this is my opinion and I am sure some will disagree.

Trying to "Co-Exist" with the enemy and be friendly I think is foolish, but not worthy of being ex-communicated or being stripped of your Jewish identity or thrown out of your Jewish community.

[Rubystars]

I may have told it before...

One night driving home from work (with my 1st Mustang) I was driving in the fast last (carpool lane) and before I could do anything I saw a Christmas tree which I suppose had fallen off the back of a truck while attempting to dispose of it, and my car hit it causing me to swerve into the second land. Luckily for me there was nobody in that lane so I survived with a crumpled front bumper...

After that accident I took the car to the dealer and traded it in for a GT.

I don't like how people dispose of their trees. Often leaving them in the streets for weeks.

I'm glad you're ok but if you were to go a bit slower you would have more time to see obstacles like that and avoid them.
I remember that you had made a post in the past saying that you like to go above the speed limit often.

[muman613]

I'm glad you're ok but if you were to go a bit slower you would have more time to see obstacles like that and avoid them.
I remember that you had made a post in the past saying that you like to go above the speed limit often.

Never the less there was a full Christmas tree in the center lane of the freeway... Why do people just dump them wherever they please? There really should be disposal provided by the people selling them.

I have never hit anything on the freeway in the over 30 years I have been driving.

[Rubystars]

I'm sure it fell out of a truck when it was being taken for proper disposal, and with that being the freeway, you can't really go back and pick it up. It should have been tied down better though so such a thing wouldn't happen.

Maybe you ought to write a song about it to the tune of attack of the killer tomatoes.

Attack of the killer christmas trees!!!  You have to keep that vile vegetation in its place.

[ChabadKahanist]

I'm sure it fell out of a truck when it was being taken for proper disposal, and with that being the freeway, you can't really go back and pick it up. It should have been tied down better though so such a thing wouldn't happen.

Maybe you ought to write a song about it to the tune of attack of the killer tomatoes.

Attack of the killer christmas trees!!!  You have to keep that vile vegetation in its place.

What does this have to do with the topic?

[nessuno]

You have to keep that vile vegetation in its place.

[muman613]

Do you find tomatoes in the vegetable or the fruit section?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

What does this have to do with the topic?

It doesn't, but...man.. it is funny thinking about Muman being attacked by a "Killer Christmas Tree"!

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Do you find tomatoes in the vegetable or the fruit section?

I think you find them in the vegetable section, even though they are berries.

[Israel Chai]

I think you find them in the vegetable section, even though they are berries.

: )

[Raulmarrio2000]

Appointing a holy time by human initiative is hallachically forbidden even to Bnei Noah, much more to Jews (Bnei Noah are also forbidden to celebrate the Torah holidays in the Jewish way). But perhpas that Rabbi has some reason to do it, perhaps it's a personal fast. A Jew, (also a Gentile) is allowed to set a time for voluntary fast. The problem is that he is doing it with them. Ramadan fast is from early in the morning to sunset, so it is a fast, similar to minor Jewish fast and voluntary Jewish fasts to atone for personal sins.

[muman613]

Appointing a holy time by human initiative is hallachically forbidden even to Bnei Noah, much more to Jews (Bnei Noah are also forbidden to celebrate the Torah holidays in the Jewish way). But perhpas that Rabbi has some reason to do it, perhaps it's a personal fast. A Jew, (also a Gentile) is allowed to set a time for voluntary fast. The problem is that he is doing it with them. Ramadan fast is from early in the morning to sunset, so it is a fast, similar to minor Jewish fast and voluntary Jewish fasts to atone for personal sins.

Shalom Ralmarrio2000, long time no hear... Welcome back!

[Rubystars]

Do you find tomatoes in the vegetable or the fruit section?

A lot of times they're near the avocados so I guess fruit as avocados are fruit too.