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Offline Tag-MehirTzedek

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.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: "Shall Your Brothers Come Into War, While You Remain Here?"
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 02:31:43 AM »
If the goal of Netanyahu is just to get Hamas to agree to another cease-fire or to replace the stupid terrorists of Hamas with the tricky terrorists of Fatah in Gaza, there is no place in complaining why don't Charedim join the army.
If we had even an army triple the size that we have now, we'd still have the same problems as long as the losers that are ruling the country continue in the same path.

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Re: "Shall Your Brothers Come Into War, While You Remain Here?"
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 10:11:39 AM »
If the goal of Netanyahu is just to get Hamas to agree to another cease-fire or to replace the stupid terrorists of Hamas with the tricky terrorists of Fatah in Gaza, there is no place in complaining why don't Charedim join the army.
If we had even an army triple the size that we have now, we'd still have the same problems as long as the losers that are ruling the country continue in the same path.

 Good points, but 1 big problem though. Its not about the army needing Haredim, its more of the Haredim needing to join the army. It will break that "Haredi" ideology and get many of them to become "Right-wing" all the time and not go back and forth (their politicians) because of complaints of them not being in the army themselves thus somehow "forfeiting" having an opinion of fighting back and hard against the Arabs.
 Also take away the option of having to be blackmailed and given the option of either $ for the institutions OR being part of government that surrenders.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: "Shall Your Brothers Come Into War, While You Remain Here?"
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2014, 12:01:53 PM »
Dangerous precedent using the Secular Hellenist regime to force changes in the Chareidi world.
Especially since the Chareidis might start saying "I know that destroying settlements don't help national security but to weaken the allegiance of religious zionist Jews to Zionism or Zionist Rabbis I will support it anyway just like the religious-zionists are supporting drafting the Chareidis when there is no military need, but only to "change the Charedis".