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Re: Right of Return Extended to Non Jews who "marry" Gay Jews
« Reply #50 on: August 13, 2014, 02:02:26 PM »
I suspected that.  >:( :'(

Expect us to see some really severe judgments on Israel really soon...

G-d forbid. Expect us to make it a perfect state soon.
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2014, 03:17:22 PM »
I saw that & it was not talking about anchor babies & but about gay goyim who are partners with Israeli fags being now included under law of return.
It clearly talks about the children of illegal aliens.

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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2014, 03:24:09 PM »
It clearly talks about the children of illegal aliens.
I"ll read it it again perhaps I missed something.

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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2014, 03:36:59 PM »
A Jew living in Israel is punished for choosing to fulfill the misva to dwell in Israel in every aspects, foreigners and arabs are advantaged over the native israeli Jews who pay for missiles and terror attacks unleashed on them the victim paying the killer to attack them the nazsis didn't go as far as the israeli authority is doing.

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« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2014, 04:05:59 PM »
Israel needs a 'remodelling' to put it bluntly. I have cursed the political system of Israel for years as it makes it virtually impossible to accomplish any meaningful change because of the multiple parties which have no majority (requiring the stupid coalitions which also work in opposite directions)...

What is needed is a system like we have in America with a strong executive who makes executive decisions and has the ability to execute terrorists.

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« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2014, 01:47:05 PM »
Apparently, no matter what Israel does, it won't be enough by Israel-hates. On vice news, one of the most vile and anti moral news source, this decision was taken as Israel's desire to "pinkwash Israeli atrocities in Gaza." The comments are even more tale-telling than the articles - it is an Israel bash.

'Pinkwashing' Debate Stirred by Israeli Citizenship for Non-Jewish Gay Spouses

https://news.vice.com/article/pinkwashing-debate-stirred-by-israeli-citizenship-for-non-jewish-gay-spouses

 By Chris Köver
August 13, 2014 | 11:30 am

Israel announced on Tuesday that it will now allow gay and lesbian Jews to immigrate to the country with their non-Jewish same-sex spouses and then gain citizenship. In an apparently groundbreaking decision, Interior Minister Gideon Sa'ar (of the conservative Likud party) instructed immigration authorities to no longer differentiate between gay and straight married couples, granting them the same rights under the Law of Return.

"The gates of Israel will be opened before every Jew and his family without discriminating against his lifestyle," Sa'ar stated and, while I'm not sure that most queer people will be thrilled to see their sexual orientation labeled as a "lifestyle," this is an interesting decision for several reasons.

First to the basics: Under the Israeli Law of Return, Jews from anywhere in the world are entitled to Israeli citizenship, and a 1970 amendment extended this right to non-Jewish spouses, children, and grandchildren.

Until recently this right only applied to heterosexual couples, but the new directive means that a spouse of a gay or lesbian Jew will now also automatically be entitled to Israeli citizenship.

    'I do not see a distinction between Jews in heterosexual marriage and those who wed in same-sex marriages abroad in accordance with the law.'

In a letter to the immigration authorities, Sa'ar wrote: "I do not see a distinction between Jews in heterosexual marriage and those who wed in same-sex marriages abroad in accordance with the law. Both fulfill the purpose of the Law of Return according to the principle that 'the children will return to their land.'"

There have already been a few cases in which same-sex couples legally married abroad immigrated to Israel under the Law of Return. In 2011, two US citizens who married in Canada — Bayardo Alvarez, who is not Jewish, and Joshua Goldberg, who is — applied for citizenship. After they threatened to sue the ministry, this was finally granted to Alvarez nearly eight months after he applied.

However, the Israeli government stressed that this was an individual case and didn't mean they it would alter its policy. This has now changed. This sounds like it's a great development for egalitarianism and anti-discrimination. But is it really?

Israel claims 'Mission Accomplished' and pulls troops from Gaza. Read more here.

Israel can be regarded (and likes to regard itself) as a haven for LGBTQ in the Middle East. Compared to neighboring countries it grants its queer citizens a remarkable amount of freedom and rights. Queer Israelis serve in the military, are members of parliament, and queer couples are granted the same legal recognition as same-sex couples in financial and other business matters.

Israel doesn't grant its citizens the right to same-sex marriages — a bill that would have allowed same-sex couples to have civil unions was struck down in 2013­ — but it does recognize marriages that have been legally performed elsewhere. And while Israeli society as a whole is not particularly accepting of homosexuality (a 2013 study by the Pew Research Center showed that 47 percent of Israelis believe that it shouldn't be accepted), Tel Aviv is considered to be one of the most liberal cities and the gay capital of the Middle East — with a huge LGBT community shaping the scene. The city is one of the prime destinations for queer visitors from all over the world and Israel actively uses this image to attract gay tourists.

Yet critics claim that all this is part of a larger PR campaign, with Israel trying to use LGBT rights as "pinkwashing," a term that gathered traction after a 2010 Guardian article by queer theorist Jasbir Puar decrying "Israel's gay propaganda war." A 2011 piece by queer activist Sarah Schulman in the New York Times used the same arguments and the City University of New York held an entire conference on the subject last year.

    'Following this logic every positive statement about the state of Israel could be condemned as a cover-up to gloss over the conflict with the Palestinians.'

While it can be valid to criticize Israel's behavior in its conflict with Palestine, the question remains whether it's a good idea to connect the treatment of Palestinians with the rights of LGBTQ people living in Israel — or weigh up one against the other. As Austrian newspaper Der Standard has noted: "Following this logic every positive statement about the state of Israel could be condemned as a cover-up to gloss over the conflict with the Palestinians."

This kind of black and white view of the situation is not only reductionist. It also runs the risk of being anti-Semitic, as Alan Dershowitz remarked in the New York Post. The insinuation that every decision of the Israeli state is part of an elaborate and orchestrated plan to make the country look better on the international stage — that there must be a malevolent motive or a hidden agenda behind it — is brushing dangerously close to the idea of a "Jewish World Conspiracy," a classic staple of anti-Semitism.

Yotam Gonen, a queer activist and one of the founders of Black Laundry, an Israeli LGBTQ group founded after the Second Intifada and now disbanded, points to another problematic point with this development. Gonen believes the problem with the decision isn't so much pinkwashing, it's that this is a continuation of the inherent racism and nationalism already implied in the Law of Return.

"In my opinion, it's not a very impressive gesture," she told VICE News. "The minister is now trying to appeal to gays and lesbians in order to encourage Jewish immigration to Israel under a law whose sole purpose is to create two separate systems of immigration and citizenship, on the basis of religion or nationality, and under which Palestinian citizens or African refugees are an inferior group and are certainly not entitled to bring their spouses to Israel, straight or gay."

In photos: Gaza residents dig out bodies as ceasefire holds. Read more here.

Hence, Gonen said, this "liberal" gesture is being used to continue a flawed immigration policy that has been in effect in Israel for many years. She also points out that while this directive is "great news for the few to whom it will apply," it is primarily intended for gay and lesbian Jews from Western Europe or North America.

Liad Hussein Kantorowicz, an LGBTQ rights activist who has spent many years organizing in Tel Aviv, sees the decision as deeply inconsistent for yet another reason. "There is something very contradictory about the Israeli State giving citizenship to people who come from Western countries with a recognized marriage when it as a country doesn't allow gay marriage," she told VICE News.

"In the past there have been several cases where mixed couples of Jews and non-Jews in Israel had huge problem because of this. So it's clear how the Israeli state is using this to manipulate the discourse internationally — particularly the discourse that ties any sort of pro-gay leanings with any sort of Western enlightened ideology."

    'It's absolutely ridiculous that non-Jewish people from abroad can now live in Israel based on their gay partnerships whereas straight people in Israel don't have such rights — even if they were born in this country.'

Hussein Kantorowicz also backs up the point that this decision is more about keeping an unjust system in place than about creating more equality: "If you are Palestinian living in Israel and you have an Israeli ID, you can absolutely not marry any Palestinian living in the West Bank or in Gaza without an ID, your partnership will not be recognized and you will not be allowed to live together — because you are not Jewish. So it's absolutely ridiculous that non-Jewish people from abroad can now live in Israel based on their gay partnerships whereas straight people in Israel don't have such rights — even if they were born in this country."

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Re: Right of Return Extended to Non Jews who "marry" Gay Jews
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2014, 03:49:50 AM »
This is the logical conclusion of allowing tens of thousands of Russian Goyim in under the so called law of return.
For those of you who gave me hard time about the issue of Russian Goyim in Israel,you wanted the Russian areilim  & now you got the rump rangers as well.
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« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2014, 08:27:46 AM »
Sick Sick Immoral people who don't know what God has stored up for them!  "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner; giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."   Jude 1:7   Going after strange flesh means going after flesh different than what is rightfully ours to claim, that which is forbidden by God for us to have, outside the bounds of God's laws, hence the term sexual deviance, to deviate what is acceptable to God.

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« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2014, 08:45:23 PM »
It's bad enough that these self-hating, disease-spreading monsters are living in Israel.  Now their "husbands" are being welcomed.  Disgraceful.

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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2014, 09:57:38 PM »
Im no fan of Charedi Judaism or the religious parties who sell out. Turned their back on Meier Kahane, Hashem Ikane Damo,  but military service in the traditon of Yehoshua Bin Nun, thrue Melech Shlomo and  Melech Daveed, thru Matityahu Cohen, VeGibor UChamisha Beno, bothers them but this they have nothing to raise noise and protest and cause a ruckus about? Elo Israel Yishmor. :'(

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« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2014, 03:36:01 PM »
Im no fan of Charedi Judaism or the religious parties who sell out. Turned their back on Meier Kahane, Hashem Ikane Damo,  but military service in the traditon of Yehoshua Bin Nun, thrue Melech Shlomo and  Melech Daveed, thru Matityahu Cohen, VeGibor UChamisha Beno, bothers them but this they have nothing to raise noise and protest and cause a ruckus about? Elo Israel Yishmor. :'(

A little off topic. Also, the Breslev and Lubavitch are for the most part completely supportive of Israel and the army, so that's baseless lashon hara.
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2014, 08:51:54 AM »
Gay marriage is an abomination as well as the lifestyle....this is provoking the Lord...How dumb can people be.

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« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2014, 09:06:05 AM »
Oh Brother....Homosexuality to God is an abomination...he has destroyed numerous civilizations because of it, Sodom Gomorrah, Rome, the US, and will allow enemies to invade civilizations as Judgement.....this decision needs to be reversed.    God is not going to bless societies that practice Sodomy and fornication, Its the Roman Road to Wrath.

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« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2014, 01:00:06 AM »
As I said above welcoming all these Russian areilim was what opened the Pandora's box to the fags.
To all those who thought I was obsessed over the issue of Russian Goyim in Israel it is your fault for not supporting me & making a bigger stink & now we have the rump rangers thanks to you & your silence & complicity!!

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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2014, 08:50:23 AM »
The Lord is coming to Judge and their will be wars in Israel, and on the earth.   Homosexuality is an abomination, all those who do not repent and change their ways are in for God's wrath.  Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah. and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."    For this God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did exchange the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompence of their error which was met."  Romans 1;24   

2nd Peter 2:6, 7  "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;  And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked."  The filthy conversation of the wicked, literally means, the Filthy Manner of LIfe of the Wicked.

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« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2014, 05:04:06 PM »
The Lord is coming to Judge and their will be wars in Israel, and on the earth.   Homosexuality is an abomination, all those who do not repent and change their ways are in for God's wrath.  Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah. and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."    For this God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did exchange the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the recompence of their error which was met."  Romans 1;24   

2nd Peter 2:6, 7  "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;  And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked."  The filthy conversation of the wicked, literally means, the Filthy Manner of LIfe of the Wicked.

So he clearly didn't study much Torah because he didn't deliver just Lot.
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« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2014, 04:10:26 PM »
these dumbs just must scrap the whole aliya program which is a absolute disaster and start anew with  1 which attract Jews not fake 1, this so called aliya is just a carrot aimed at Jews and a facade for the outside world thus they can say what a country that gives help to Jew coming in which is totally untrue because within the first year of your arrival you're considered like any israeli who was born there and without all the advantages given to arabs that haven't asked anything while there are Jew who are denied return or made the most despicable difficulty for being Jew in the Jewish country.

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« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2014, 07:49:36 PM »
these dumbs just must scrap the whole aliya program which is a absolute disaster and start anew with  1 which attract Jews not fake 1, this so called aliya is just a carrot aimed at Jews and a facade for the outside world thus they can say what a country that gives help to Jew coming in which is totally untrue because within the first year of your arrival you're considered like any israeli who was born there and without all the advantages given to arabs that haven't asked anything while there are Jew who are denied return or made the most despicable difficulty for being Jew in the Jewish country.

Aliyah is good. Good Jews need to do it more so that the government can't pull this.
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« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2018, 10:28:14 AM »
A little off topic. Also, the Breslev and Lubavitch are for the most part completely supportive of Israel and the army, so that's baseless lashon hara.

Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at  another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.

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« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2018, 10:42:38 AM »
Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at  another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.


Many Charedim like Chabad & Breslov do serve the Seret Vizhnnitz Rebbe,ZJ"L.ZY"A  fought in the war of independence.

My grandson in 2 years will be serving & my son was in the Golani!!!
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« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2018, 10:45:02 AM »
Charedim to me are the ones who wont serve, wont give the state the time of day other then to get money from it and yet feel they should have equal weight and say with those of us who served, and pay taxes. And would not look twice at  another Jew who they think is not as pious as them. So I dont think something observed personally and related is Loshon Hora.

Breslev and Chabad serve. Many other Charedim work and don't agree with the leeching system. They started serving before they got pushed into a corner and then came out against the government, and you should be against the government trying to strip them of their Judaism too, religious units in the army should be actually religious.

Furthermore, leftists get just as many draft deferrals as Charedim, but it's not part of the narrative, so they just advertise easy ways for them to get out of it and it's fine so long as they don't want to serve because they support terrorists. The homosexual goyim that marry Jews and come aren't going to be the ones saving, you, and G-d willing no Jew prays for that ever.

The vast majority would rally around a real Jewish government and would participate in something they see as helping Jews, rather than the current system that is there to help Arabs.
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« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2018, 11:46:18 AM »
Breslev and Chabad serve. Many other Charedim work and don't agree with the leeching system. They started serving before they got pushed into a corner and then came out against the government, and you should be against the government trying to strip them of their Judaism too, religious units in the army should be actually religious.

Furthermore, leftists get just as many draft deferrals as Charedim, but it's not part of the narrative, so they just advertise easy ways for them to get out of it and it's fine so long as they don't want to serve because they support terrorists. The homosexual goyim that marry Jews and come aren't going to be the ones saving, you, and G-d willing no Jew prays for that ever.

The vast majority would rally around a real Jewish government and would participate in something they see as helping Jews, rather than the current system that is there to help Arabs.
Agreed