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Land for Peace: What is the Halacha?
Eliezer Ben Avraham:
I think we all should ask our Rabbis about this and if they see Pikuach Nefesh comes first tell them the Halacha and see their response. Too many Rabbis are liberals first and Rabbis second
Eliezer Ben Avraham:
I watche the video once and he mentioned a time where the same situation occurred, I believe with Melech David, do you know the source?
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: TorahZionist on August 13, 2007, 01:13:52 PM ---Rav Davidh Bar-Hayim on Land for Peace: http://machonshilo.org/component/option,com_docman/task,cat_view/gid,63/Itemid,64/
Look at the first 5 items
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Rav Bar Hayim is the most intelligent person, I have ever met.
takebackourtemple:
I believe in "land for peace". Once the Muslim Nazis give us back all of Israel, we can then talk about peace arrangements.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: TorahZionist on August 13, 2007, 04:26:49 AM ---Pikuach Nefesh? Rabbi Jonathan Blass
Category: Land of Israel The Isur of Leaving Israel3 Adar II 5763
Question:
In the extreme hypothetical case that a miracle were to happen and the Arabs would promise (and we somehow knew that they would uphold this promise, again this is hypothetical) to lay down their arms for eternity in exchange for the creation of a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi State in Eretz Yisrael, are we allowed to sign such an agreement?
I understand that this is not going to happen anytime soon. But playing the Devil’s Advocate, shouldn’t we be allowed to give up land on the basis of pikuach nefesh if we knew for sure that it would save Jewish lives? Doesn’t pikuach nefesh cancel out the Halachot of Shabbat, why not those of Eretz Yisrael?
Thanks again.
Answer:
There is a commandment even to go to war to conquer the Land of Israel (Rambam Hilchot Melachim 5,1; Ramban Sfer HaMitzvot, additions to Mitzvot Asei 4). The Torah repeatedly instructs the Jewish People in the desert to ready themselves for the battle against the Canaanite nations to liberate the Land that was promised to our forefathers. A Mitzva that involves going to war intrinsically overrides “pikuach nefesh” (Minchat Chinuch 425,3; 604,4). The logic behind the need for self-sacrifice is self-evident: All nations must be willing to fight to defend their homeland or they cease to exist. This is because the life of the nation takes precedence over that of the individual and a nation’s sovereignty in its homeland is an integral and essential element of its life. The Land of Israel is not just real-estate. It is integral to the Nation of Israel’s self- definition; when we were forced into exile we became only partially alive.
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I will add that one such people existed in biblical times who did not go up against the Israelites: The Gibeonites, who were allowed to live amongst the Israelites. I don't know what became of them later.
If such a thing were to occur again that there was truth and honesty with some groups of Arabs within Israel and the areas that Gd has commanded the Jews to conquer over time, I would presume that conquering those lands that Gd prescribed us to do, would not be wrong if the inhabitants of those areas were as the Gibeonites.
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