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VEPR-12 AK-47 Shotgun
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: EveryJewA44 on August 20, 2014, 11:15:54 PM ---
:o
Chemical laced 12ga ammo.. I dunnoo.. Well, if you manage to come up with something and it is legal to own, let me know. I'm sure you will have a market for it..
However, if I unload 12 rounds of 00 Buckshot 12ga into a bad guy with this gun, his guts (and some body parts) will be scattered all over the place anyway..
This is probably , IMO, the most effective CQB type of weapon you can own, if over-penetration is not an issue. Many SWAT teams in USA are using Saiga 12 and VEPR 12 shotguns in house raids, as it has proven to be superior to other tactical shotguns for this application. Loaded up with 10-12 rounds of 00 or even #4 buckshot, you will have a hard time not taking down somebody within 25 yards, thats for sure.
The AA-12 is not yet legal for the civilian market and I don't even think law enforcement has access to it as the cost is a little over the top. AA-12 is mostly used by the military for now. I'd love to own one of those one day.
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Really I want shotguns that fire shells with a delayed reaction laced with that chemical, so you can shoot long range as if you were close, and when you hit even a pellet, it blows off a limb. Then I have a car-boat-plane robot to stick it on.
Every Jew AK47:
--- Quote from: LKZ on August 21, 2014, 12:57:44 AM ---Really I want shotguns that fire shells with a delayed reaction laced with that chemical, so you can shoot long range as if you were close, and when you hit even a pellet, it blows off a limb. Then I have a car-boat-plane robot to stick it on.
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Ummm.. I think you lost me there LKZ about this type of special ammo you are interested in using.. I have seen quite a bit of shotgun ammo on the market, but haven't heard anyuthing about chemical laced ammo.
I would think the best option for what you would be describing would be some type of specialty shotgun ammo.. Perhaps, something like the "Detonator" round that is offered by this company American Specialty Ammo.. Basically, with a shotgun you have a lot of versatility with the type of rounds you can load. The only limiting factor about VEPR-12 is it is magazine fed, but the VEPR-12 magazines can handle 3" magnum rounds, which means you have pretty much the full spectrum of 12ga loads you would have in any other shotgun.
Check out the Detanator round , perhaps you can create some type of slug that disperses a chemical vapor on impact.
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/12_Gauge.html
--- Quote ---Detonator 3 rounds per pack 2 3/4"
A deep hollow slug for loading cumbustible materials. load your own formula or ours. The explosive tip DETONATES ON IMPACT
NOT AVAILABLE IN New York City; All of California; Cook County, IL; D.C.; MA; all of Alaska; all of Flordia and All of Hawaii
Price: $14.99
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Then again, I suppose if you wanted to load your own shotgun ammo , loading poison tip bird shot rounds would not be all that hard and would probably achieve what you are looking for. Reloading shotgun ammo is not very hard at all.. Perhaps you should consider getting your own shotgun loading setup to implement what you are talking about. Assuming it is legal! Notice, I haven't checked the laws of where you live or even know anything about poison laced ammo.
Constructing your own drone is also in theory illegal, although I would have to check more on that... Never really met many people who tried implementing such an invention. Although, I have heard of people constructing them and installing 50 cal and other rifles onto them and automating the trigger pull remotely.
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: EveryJewA44 on August 21, 2014, 01:05:39 AM ---Ummm.. I think you lost me there LKZ about this type of special ammo you are interested in using.. I have seen quite a bit of shotgun ammo on the market, but haven't heard anyuthing about chemical laced ammo.
I would think the best option for what you would be describing would be some type of specialty shotgun ammo.. Perhaps, something like the "Detonator" round that is offered by this company American Specialty Ammo.. Basically, with a shotgun you have a lot of versatility with the type of rounds you can load. The only limiting factor about VEPR-12 is it is magazine fed, but the VEPR-12 magazines can handle 3" magnum rounds, which means you have pretty much the full spectrum of 12ga loads you would have in any other shotgun.
Check out the Detanator round , perhaps you can create some type of slug that disperses a chemical vapor on impact.
http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/12_Gauge.html
Then again, I suppose if you wanted to load your own shotgun ammo , loading poison tip bird shot rounds would not be all that hard and would probably achieve what you are looking for. Reloading shotgun ammo is not very hard at all.. Perhaps you should consider getting your own shotgun loading setup to implement what you are talking about. Assuming it is legal! Notice, I haven't checked the laws of where you live or even know anything about poison laced ammo.
Constructing your own drone is also in theory illegal, although I would have to check more on that... Never really met many people who tried implementing such an invention. Although, I have heard of people constructing them and installing 50 cal and other rifles onto them and automating the trigger pull remotely.
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Pfft drone. I'm not into toys. And the ammo doesn't exist. I said I want to make it. No point in making something you can buy. Also, poison is usually illegal, many of them loose potency in time, and it's probably going to have to be liquid, which might mess with the shells. I want to make something like sodium or other earth metals, this way it can be easily put in the shell, and react with blood to explode.
Every Jew AK47:
--- Quote from: LKZ on August 21, 2014, 07:06:18 AM ---Pfft drone. I'm not into toys. And the ammo doesn't exist. I said I want to make it. No point in making something you can buy. Also, poison is usually illegal, many of them loose potency in time, and it's probably going to have to be liquid, which might mess with the shells. I want to make something like sodium or other earth metals, this way it can be easily put in the shell, and react with blood to explode.
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Perhaps, you should just settle for stocking up on a good supply of 00 buckshot and slugs and call it a day.. The solders in Iraq and Afghanistan load their shotguns up with 00 Buckshot and door busting rounds and they have prove to work quite well on jihadists. By the way, if you are striving for a stealthy combat style shotgun, considering buying an AK-type platform semi auto shotgun (while you can) like a Saiga 12 and installing a suppressor.
Because the VEPR-12 has a threaded barrel, as well as the Saiga 12 and even the Fury Tactical shotgun, it is very easy to interchange a Muzzle Break/Flash Hider with a Suppressor.
Here is the type of setup that I am talking about:
Israel Chai:
--- Quote from: EveryJewA44 on August 21, 2014, 04:10:55 PM ---Perhaps, you should just settle for stocking up on a good supply of 00 buckshot and slugs and call it a day.. The solders in Iraq and Afghanistan load their shotguns up with 00 Buckshot and door busting rounds and they have prove to work quite well on jihadists. By the way, if you are striving for a stealthy combat style shotgun, considering buying an AK-type platform semi auto shotgun (while you can) like a Saiga 12 and installing a suppressor.
Because the VEPR-12 has a threaded barrel, as well as the Saiga 12 and even the Fury Tactical shotgun, it is very easy to interchange a Muzzle Break/Flash Hider with a Suppressor.
Here is the type of setup that I am talking about:
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My idea is that the shells would release the pellets when at the appropriate distance, for many reasons, but you'd clean out a base if you drop a shotgun trooper out of a plane, and it just sprays a quarter tonne of armor piercing contact explosive rounds downwards. The shells would adjust to releasing earlier and earlier and it falls, and then circles.
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