Dmitry,
I don't believe that you are a Jew at all but an uncircumcised half breed with a shiksa mother.
Why else would you hate & disagree with everything that Judaism says that it takes to be Jewish?
You would not know an authentic Jewish concept if you tripped over & why should you?
I suspect that your are nothing but a Jew-hating troll!!!!!
Again, no. I am halachic Jew, from my maternal grandmother.
I disagree with your concepts because they are illogical. And the motivation is another form of discrimination against the community of Israel that has contributed most to Israel in recent years.
I am not muddling the issue you are & Chaim was in jail because he fought for you guys at least for the real Russian Jews like my family not half breeds with shiksa mothers.
The ones I was talking about were not Jews but Goyim altogether.
Again you would'nt know a Jewish concept if hit you in the face.
The ones that arrived with false documents were Goyim.
Again get your facts straight there are no half Jews just like there are no half pregnant women.
Either you are Jewish or you are not.
Judaism is defined by halacha not Hitler,YM"s as the stuff you are quoting about genetic Jews & half Jews comes right from Hitler & has absolutely no Jewish sources.
Halacha has everything to with it.
A Jew is either somebody born of a Jewish mother or converted according halacha.
Either we want to live in a Jewish state or a Hebrew speaking Russia we can't have both,
If Judaism is not defined exclusively by halacha then we are living in a state of Jews & NOT a Jewish state & such a concept which is the Authentic Jewish Idea goes above your assimillated Hellenisitic head I realize & this is what Judaism says & if you don't like it,disagree with it or it bothers you.....TOUGH!!!!!!!
Concept of matrilineality only enters Judaism during the Roman occupation. There is not a word on it in the Torah, and patrilineality was the normal rule in Ancient Israel. This is why today, the Karaites are still following the rule of patrilineality.
In reality, neither matrilineality or patrilineality should have a preference, since we inherit exactly 50% from our mother and our father. This is simple logic. You don't have to be rocket scientist to solve this.
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How dare you slander me. I love all Jews from every country as long as they are not Erev Rav traitors like you.
I sacrificed my entire life to save Soviet Jews and would gladly do it again. I not only went to prison for five and a half years, I was also on probation, house arrest or awaiting trials for 12 additional years. So for seventeen and a half years, I was either in prison or under severe restrictions.
When that seventeen and a half year period ended in 1996, I tried to make aliyah and was expelled by force. I have been blocked from returning ever since - which is another 18 years (from 1996 to 2014). Therefore, for over 35 years I was either in prison or under severe restrictions or expelled from Israel - all because I fought to save our brothers and sisters in the Soviet Union.
I have no intent to slander you. I mention what I read in this forum, which is people attacking Russian-speaking olim for various reasons.
Anyone reading this would think that we weren't the most right-wing population in Israel, the population that lives disproportionately in West Bank, serves disproportionately in army, and makes up disproportion of the country's engineers, scientists.
On the other hand, we have vast dangers from leftist American Jews, entire Arab world. And yet all we have time for here is attacking the best Israeli demographic, and the one which has shifted Israel to more reasonable politics.
That means you have many family members who are not Jewish but who try to pass themselves off as Jews. That is why is you are so vehemently against the Torah definition of who is a Jew.
There are only two ways someone can be a Jew: if he has a Jewish mother or if he converts according to halacha.
Anyone who does not have a Jewish mother or who has not converted according to halacha is not Jewish and never can be under any circumstances. There is no such thing as 50% or 25% or even 75% Jews.
Someone who converts to Halacha, but has no Jewish ancestry, is not really Jewish, in the sense that they are not ethnically or ancestrally Jewish.
Someone 50% or 25% Jewish, is someone with 50% or 25% Jewish blood, which can theoretically be verified as authentic by genetic test.
You keep calling Torah Jews "racist" because we believe in authentic Judaism.
But you believe in genetic racial supremacy just like the Nazis. You even believe that Sephardi/Mizrachi Jews (who are 50% of Israeli Jewry) are genetically inferior. You are the racist.
I am not racist. I believe in genetic differences between people, as does now mainstream science.
On average, Ashkenazim are more intelligent ethnic group in the world, and it is the reason we are successful. It's not a secret, and we see it every day in real life. I identity with Ashkenazi people. With Moroccans, less.
Like a Bolshevik KGB anti-Semite, you ridicule Torah Judaism as "superstitious ritual". You know nothing about Torah Judaism. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.
No I am not like a Bolshevik anti-semite. For a starter, I am Jewish and I oppose the discrimination against the Russian-speaking Jewish people, which I saw in a sad way repeated on this forum (as commonly the same discrimination continues in Israel by leftists such as Gideon Levy, and all kinds of Haredim and Morrocans).
Any Jew who is uncircumcised is not part of the covenant between Israel and G-d and is cut off from the Jewish people both in this world and in the next.
For thousands of years, even the most assimilated Jews were circumcised. That was the one thing that almost all Jews did. Even Jewish Communist traitors circumcised their sons (until the Soviets outlawed the practice). Circumcision was universally recognized among Jews and Gentiles as the bare minimum requirement for someone to be part of the Jewish people.
But you would now make even circumcision unnecessary.
Circumcision has no role in determining who is Jewish, according to any interpretation of halakhah, genetics and ethnic determination, or Law of Return.
So it was irrelevant to our discussion.
As for Zionism or assimilation question. Herzl's didn't circumcise his son, and it was opposed by German Reform Jews.
I don't have any emotion towards this subject either way. I see it as irrelevant to the discussion.
Also note that probably the majority of Russian-speaking olim are being circumcised or having their children circumcised (unlike Herzl, most celebrated Zionist himself).
What exactly distinguishes you from a Russian Gentile? In your Erev Rav world, "Jews" would violate Shabbat and the holidays, eat non-kosher food, be uncircumcised, intermarry with Russian Jew-haters who massacred Jews for centuries, and regard Torah Judaism as "superstitious rituals". You think Jews who behave like that would survive? We know from history that most assimilated Jews do not last even one generation.
Today, Russian-Jews have much better instinct for survival than American-Jews, and it is reflected in the politics and even birth-rates.
The Soviet sphere tried to destroy the Jews. But failed, and the community is having a renaissance.
So even Russian Gentiles "who follow Christianity" should be considered Jewish in your Erev Rav world!
No they should be considered as Christians (ideologically), with Jewish blood (to whatever component they have).
A Christian who has 25% Jewish blood - I regard as a 25% cousin of mine (as we are by blood - all Ashkenazi are at the relation of cousins), who is following a different religion.
I am not allowed into Israel because Anatoly Sharansky refused to help me when I was expelled. In 1996, while I was being held by the Shabak in a prison cell awaiting expulsion, my friends in Israel went to Sharansky and asked him to intercede. Sharansky was a major government minister and his party had 8 Knesset seats - which was the balance of power, meaning he could have brought down the whole government. If Sharansky had called Netanyahu and demanded that I be allowed in, there is no doubt that I would would have been immediately accepted under the Law of Return more than 18 years ago. But the cowardly traitor Sharansky refused to do anything.
Of Sharansky, I am not a great fan. But the decision is not of Sharansky.
By the way, I would be interested what you think of people like Avigdor Eskin.
Avigdor Eskin is 50% Jewish (from his father - his mother is a Ukrainian non-Jewish). But somehow he is the leading Kahanist in the Russian-speaking world.
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