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Hareidi Extremists Show IDF Soldiers as Pigs in Poster Campaign
« on: October 10, 2014, 02:34:45 PM »

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/186022#.VDgmiha8FhI

Hareidi extremists have launched a fresh campaign of incitement against religious IDF soldiers, just over a month since Israel's 50-day war with Gazan terrorists, which saw more than 60 soldiers give their lives in battle.

Posters appeared in several hareidi neighborhoods over this week portraying hareidi soldiers as pigs. One particularly provocative poster shows a soldier with the face of a pig, wearing a black skullcap and peyot (sidecurls) and holding a copy of the Talmud. Hareidi children can be seen in the poster pointing and laughing at the "soldier's" appearance.

"Look what ears he has - just like a hyena!" says one.

"No I actually think it's a fox - just look at his grin," replies another.

The third child then responds: "I'm telling you this is 'another thing'," a Talmudic expression used to describe a pig, which in Jewish tradition is seen as the most unclean animal. "Just look at his nose and look what he has in his pocket!"

Radical anti-Zionist hareidi groups have been working hard to discourage hareidim from enlisting in the IDF, particularly since the introduction of the so-called Draft Bill, which ended the decades-long exemption of hareidi yeshiva students from military service. Part of their campaign - which has also included intimidation, harassment and even assault of hareidi soldiers - has been a concerted campaign of incitement and denigration, portraying religious soldiers as impure and insincere in their religious observance.

But many mainstream hareidi rabbis have decried the campaign.

The rabbi of the Jerusalem suburb of Gilo, and a prominent arbitrator of Jewish law (halakha) in Jerusalem, Rabbi Eliyahu Schlezinger, condemned the latest posters.

"It is distressing to see our precious soldiers have not even recovered from Operation Protective Edge, and there is someone who dares to come out against them in such a blatant and virulent campaign," he said.

Rabbi Schlezinger, who is one of several candidates standing for upcoming elections to the new position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, added: "We are obligated to say to these soldiers a huge thank you for their actions for the sake of the people of Israel during the last war, and in general to value them for their heroism.

"Just in this latest war we saw how close these soldiers are to our Father in Heaven, and how we, the nation of Israel, are one (united) nation."

He added that his experience in Gilo - where hareidi, religious-Zionist and secular communities live together in harmony - demonstrates how only love and tolerance can maintain national unity and strength.

He also implied that those responsible for the shocking campaign were on the fringes of hareidi society, and not representative of the vast majority within the community.

"Torah students are strong and confident enough in their position that they don't need to resort to street posters to convince them of the value of Torah study and how it protects the people of Israel," he said.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2014, 12:13:10 PM »
"The Haredim are irrelevant!" (R.Meir Kahane 1985)

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2014, 04:50:35 PM »
They have a point. Most of these so-called religious soldiers kicked Jews out of their homes.

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2014, 07:39:52 PM »
They have a point. Most of these so-called religious soldiers kicked Jews out of their homes.

Not surprising to hear this from you, and in line with 99% of your comments. No, they didn't.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 08:10:03 PM »
They have a point. Most of these so-called religious soldiers kicked Jews out of their homes.

 This is the NK scumm talking about good religious Torah Jews who joined.and are joining the IDF. These scum are.alighned.with the muslim nazi scumm.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 08:13:56 PM »
This is the NK scumm talking about good religious Torah Jews who joined.and are joining the IDF. These scum are.alighned.with the muslim nazi scumm.

Source that says it's NK? If it is, shame on the newspaper for writing "Haredi extremists". They perpetrate the chilul Hashem that group of Amalekim create and bring death on good Haredi Jews.
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 08:27:15 PM »
A lot of people throw Charedim under the bus to score points against religious Jews.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 08:30:14 PM »
A lot of people throw Charedim under the bus to score points against religious Jews.

 :o  :agree:
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 08:40:32 PM »
This is repulsive!

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 11:10:18 PM »
The Haredim are  a stupid cult.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2014, 11:31:36 PM »
This is repulsive!
Before we jump to that conclusion Lisa, I want to see more of an explanation of their motives. If they are disgusted with the IDF because their main job is to throw Jews out of their homes, then I can't blame them. If they just hate military service period, then they themselves are the chazirs.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2014, 12:02:10 AM »
Source that says it's NK? If it is, shame on the newspaper for writing "Haredi extremists". They perpetrate the chilul Hashem that group of Amalekim create and bring death on good Haredi Jews.

 I said the NK types. And.it makes it.clear that they are.extremists.and.this whole.campaign of.them is against.the haredim who are.joining the IDF thats why this made.this soecifically targeting haredim goining the.IDF which means they are.bext.and they will have to serve or flee.the.cointry.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2014, 12:10:47 AM »
Where did it say in the article that it was the NKs?  Do you have a link to another article that clearly states that this was the work the NKs?

But besides that group, there are still some religious Jews that believe in studying Torah, as opposed to serving in the army.  And to address Lewinsky Stinks's point.  I don't think this action was done to protest the IDF throwing Jews out of their homes.  At least I never read or heard of such a thing ever happening.  However, they did protest en masse when that law came out that said they had to serve in the IDF. 

So for now I'm just going to chalk it up to another example of Sinat Chinam (baseless hatred) which was  responsible for the 2nd exile. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2014, 12:45:24 AM »
I've fallen into the trap of judging these guys prematurely before. Chaim has pointed out that some of them see the IDF as an immoral, secular, heathen army. I can't really fault them on that, combined with how they ethnically cleanse Jews. For now I will withhold judgment.

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2014, 01:47:16 AM »
Imagine their hordes shouting "Kahane Chai". There needs to be a way to work with them.
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2014, 02:07:21 AM »
They have a point. Most of these so-called religious soldiers kicked Jews out of their homes.
I didn't expect this type of idiotic comment from you.  :o
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2014, 02:27:16 AM »
Imagine their hordes shouting "Kahane Chai". There needs to be a way to work with them.

 Again these types.will not scream Kahane Chai. Tgese ate.NK types and in fact.the message.was.precisely.against.the Hatedim and.Datim who do or.are.close.to saying Kahane.Chai. whays not to get? This is the propaganda.and hatred.of.the religious who already serve. Combine.thisnwith.the fact.yhat soke religious.soldiers.are attacked.and or spat at by these types.
 
  Lisa it is the NK types fighting the others especially the  more right wing nationalist ones.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2014, 02:31:02 AM »
Sorry for the baf writing. Its.by.a.phone and spell check messes it up often
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2014, 04:14:18 AM »
Excuse me Manch?  :o

I do not support the IDF and neither does Chaim. The IDF has become a thuggish, anti-religious goon squad whose main job has been throwing Jews out of their homes and protecting Arabs.

I don't know what the motives of these "extreme Charedim" are but as I said before, I'm withholding judgment pending more info.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2014, 06:40:35 AM »
Wish more Jews showed this type of devotion against anti Semites
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2014, 09:25:37 AM »
Again these types.will not scream Kahane Chai. Tgese ate.NK types and in fact.the message.was.precisely.against.the Hatedim and.Datim who do or.are.close.to saying Kahane.Chai. whays not to get? This is the propaganda.and hatred.of.the religious who already serve. Combine.thisnwith.the fact.yhat soke religious.soldiers.are attacked.and or spat at by these types.
 
  Lisa it is the NK types fighting the others especially the  more right wing nationalist ones.

Imagine if we got them out of it. We need a Rabbi like last generation who targeted the seculars who will target the Haredi.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2014, 11:38:14 AM »
Imagine if we got them out of it. We need a Rabbi like last generation who targeted the seculars who will target the Haredi.

Until then they are reshaim
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2014, 01:39:32 PM »
Wish more Jews showed this type of devotion against anti Semites
This hateful action was against the religious soldiers, not IDF high command. I think it was clear from the post.
It is completely different to say that one is against the left wing high command rather than IDF as an institution. Without IDF, there wouldn't be Israel.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2014, 01:55:58 AM »
This hateful action was against the religious soldiers, not IDF high command. I think it was clear from the post.
It is completely different to say that one is against the left wing high command rather than IDF as an institution. Without IDF, there wouldn't be Israel.
WRONG. Without G-d there wouldn't be Israel.

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2014, 04:36:53 PM »
WRONG. Without G-d there wouldn't be Israel.
Don't jump from one argument to another. Besides, you're wrong on that count as well. God and IDF are each necessary conditions for the survival of Israel, whereas combined, they constitute Necessary and Sufficient condition. One may argue tha God can be both, necessary and sufficient, however this clearly is not His intent for the mechanics of this world. Hence, we can say that without one elements of this condition, there wouldn't be Israel. Hence I am right and your errered, by stating that I am wrong. You should have just say without God there wouldn't be Israel, period.
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