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Fascinating Talmud statement about life on other planets
HiWarp:
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--- Quote from: newman on August 17, 2007, 01:16:48 PM ---With all the billions of stars, planets and moons out there, the probability of other life forms makes sense just out of mathematical probability alone.
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I happen to agree.
Let me push your thoughts a little... That wouldn't, necessarily, mean that they would have to be made of something we could comprehend. Maybe they are made from energy... perhaps there are beings made from the poles of magnetism, energies we'd know as heat, or even time itself or something in that direction of thinking? Why would Hashem be limited to create only creatures made from the fabric of our world, time, and space? There are infinite numbers of levels and possibilities for life. G-d has no boundaries and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were an infinite number of creations within the infinite number of possibilities.
And let me take it one step further. One hour here could be a million years somewhere else or an hour somewhere else could be billions of years here... and this is only where time exists! As you approach the center of a black hole (within the event horizon) time continues to slow down forever keeping you from ever making it to the infinite point in the center! Who's to say that entire creations don't come and go in a moment to us? We know in a dream, it can be as years to us in only a few minutes. Who's to say that when we die, that moment our brain shuts down, it isn't like an eternity with Hashem of it's very own? Think about how infinite and awesome this universe is BEYOND just the number of stars or planets.
This is all just theory and some speculation... but it's amazingly deep and interesting to think about.
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You are touching upon theories dealing with other spatial and temporal dimensions. This can turn into a very fascinating thread.
newman:
--- Quote from: jeffguy on August 17, 2007, 01:48:23 PM ---
--- Quote from: newman on August 17, 2007, 01:16:48 PM ---With all the billions of stars, planets and moons out there, the probability of other life forms makes sense just out of mathematical probability alone.
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I happen to agree.
Let me push your thoughts a little... That wouldn't, necessarily, mean that they would have to be made of something we could comprehend. Maybe they are made from energy... perhaps there are beings made from the poles of magnetism, energies we'd know as heat, or even time itself or something in that direction of thinking? Why would Hashem be limited to create only creatures made from the fabric of our world, time, and space? There are infinite numbers of levels and possibilities for life. G-d has no boundaries and I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were an infinite number of creations within the infinite number of possibilities.
And let me take it one step further. One hour here could be a million years somewhere else or an hour somewhere else could be billions of years here... and this is only where time exists! As you approach the center of a black hole (within the event horizon) time continues to slow down forever keeping you from ever making it to the infinite point in the center! Who's to say that entire creations don't come and go in a moment to us? We know in a dream, it can be as years to us in only a few minutes. Who's to say that when we die, that moment our brain shuts down, it isn't like an eternity with Hashem of it's very own? Think about how infinite and awesome this universe is BEYOND just the number of stars or planets.
This is all just theory and some speculation... but it's amazingly deep and interesting to think about.
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HaShem can create any form of life out of anything he sees fit. We may be limited by the laws of Earth physics/ biology.....HE ISN'T. :)
chakma613:
--- Quote from: jeffguy on August 17, 2007, 11:43:27 AM ---When it says G-d travels to the different worlds, I think this is referring to the the four spiritual worlds (Asiyah, Beriah, Yetzirah, and Atzilus).
I could be wrong, though.
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The Gemara in avodah Zarah says how many worlds g-d travels through, it's a lot more than 4, so I doubt it's an allusion to the kabalistic side of it, it's something like 30,000 or more, i dont remember now.
raiseyourfist:
I can see where they are coming from but its a bit of a worry because it conflicts with the Lords focus on only earth and the people who live on earth...
There has to be something more to it
Shlomo:
--- Quote from: chakma613 on August 18, 2007, 09:25:46 PM ---The Gemara in avodah Zarah says how many worlds g-d travels through, it's a lot more than 4, so I doubt it's an allusion to the kabalistic side of it, it's something like 30,000 or more, i dont remember now.
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Maybe I should have said four "categories" because each is infinite and has levels within itself.
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