Yephora

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Lately there's been a lot of reminiscing about the poster Yephora and discussion of how we might bring her back. I do not really know her, but everybody says she was an absolutely great member who contributed a ton. I will do a post check of her sometime to see what she was like (she left right as I joined so I did not get to know her), but I wanted to offer a dissenting opinion about her.

If Yephora abandoned JTF because she was offended by the rantings of one nutty poster, does she really have what it takes to cut it as a Kahanist?

Let's think about this. Guys, imagine DownwithIslam and I ditching JTF because we are tired of Dominater and Thunderbolt. Is that rational? Is it a fair response to punish the entire movement and to cut of our nose to spite our face because of a couple of trolls? Are we that thin-skinned? Rabbi Kahane (zt"l) and Chaim have had to endure every kind of condemnation and some of the most hateful bile and slander imaginable from thousands upon thousands of real-life opponents. Rabbi Kahane actually GAVE HIS LIFE for a people which, by and large, hated him, and Chaim ben Pesach gave several years of his life for two million Soviet Jews (again which, like Natan Sharansky [ys"vz], have shown very little gratitude). Should we really spend a lot of energy on somebody who abandoned us over something so ridiculous?

If Yephora left us because she didn't like seeing an insane member (who has now been banned) interact on the forum, what would she do if being a Kahanist got her real-life insults/obscenities/threats? How would she react if arrested for her beliefs? Persecuted? Tortured? When somebody becomes a Kahanist, it is a life-changing event; if you fall away, then you were never really part of us to begin with. It's understood that being one may very well put your entire life in jeopardy and that you may well be called upon to be a martyr for Israel and the Jewish people. In all fairness, do I know for a fact that I have what it takes for that? No. Do I know that anybody here does (with the exception of Jimmy Sullivan)? No. But Yephora's actions have put an especially large question mark next to her name in the area of perseverance and toughness.

Please note I am not saying Yephora is a bad person, just that I don't really think she is meant to be a Kahanist and that perhaps the parting-of-ways was for the best. Good luck in trying to bring her back, but I am not sure that somebody who put her petty quarrel with FOTL above the cause would wish to. If anybody disagrees with me, oh well. These are my two cents.

Chaimfan

[Joe Schmo]

Chaim ben Pesach disagrees with you.   

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

All he said is he wishes she would come back. (Turns out I heard his response.  )

[TheCoon]

I got a suggestion for you. Don't question other peoples' Kahanist values or ability to support the cause. As for Yephora, I can understand her leaving over FoTL. His evil agenda was tolerated far too long here and he was even coddled at times while he spewed his insane ideas. When that kind of thing isn't dealt with immediately, it gives the impression the board leadership is approving of it. Thankfully that is not the case now.

[DownwithIslam]

Chaimfan I deff hear what you are saying. I have a slightly different take on this though. While I totally agree that it was insane for her to leave we have to take all the support we can get. Their are many people who would agree with jtf but they would not be willing to be arrested pushing our policies. You see what I am saying? While yephora might not be a hardcore member, she did agree with us and simply made the mistake of leaving. It shows that she wasn't that loyal but I still would want her to come back. For instance I don't agree with Chaim on some of his religious beliefs and his goal of making Israel a religious run state but I barely mention it. I don't just leave jtf because of it as I know it is far more important to get the muzzies out and save innocent people lives. Jtf is not a cult and people can have differences of opinion. Chaimfan I have to say that you are such a loyal member of JTF so people will always seem lacking in loyalty compared to you. You know I mean this very seriously with some of the attacks you have taken and you still remain loyal.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Thundertroll, nobody gives a rat's anus for your opinions.

DownwithIslam--thanks again, your remarks are so very kind. Your encouragement always means so much to me. I appreciate that you think so highly of me, but should you? Like I said, I don't know for a fact right now that I would be willing to lay down my life for the cause if push came to shove. I certainly would LIKE to think that, but nobody really can answer that until they are tested, you know. I don't think any of us can make boasts and proclamations about what has not happened yet.

My point was twofold: (a) I don't agree with fawning over/sucking up to people who were never that committed to us to begin with and (b) that if I'm not even sure that you and I would lay down our lives for Kahanism, then I REALLY doubt that somebody like Yephora would. I know that we need all the supporters we can get, and if she does come back I would of course welcome her, but she has a lot of proving to do and it would be difficult for me, at least, to trust her with anything important here. I most definitely would prefer dedicated, hardcore members, even if few in number, to wishywashy ones who are constantly feeling tempted to leave.

Chaimfan

[DownwithIslam]

I deff hear you. I still think that many people who leave or whatever agree with us and would support us if it was needed. I do hope she comes back and if me and Chaimfan would leave when we didn't like a poster, we would of been gone long ago. She should of realized that this is a public forum and as long as you agree with the leader then you should stay.

[Joe Schmo]

Thundertroll, nobody gives a rat's anus for your opinions.

Look who's talking.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

She should come back, and be welcomed, but I don't think she should be BEGGED to return. Scriabin or whoever it is is in contact with her should send her a simple email asking her to return and that's it.

I would like for her to toughen up and become a devoted member, but let's face it--not everybody has that kind of character. I would like to compare her to Sarah. When she first came here people flamed the living crap out of her (for promoting Islam and attacking Israel), but she stuck it out and because of that she came to see the light and is now one of our most loyal and committed supporters. Yephora didn't face one hundredth of that resistance--in fact, nobody flamed her at all. She just was weak-willed and couldn't handle seeing some crazy posts. (Gee whiz... what does she do at work when her boss yells at her or the guys in the other room are telling a dirty joke?)

So, yeah, I want her to come back, but I doubt she will and I doubt she has the emotional makeup to stick a lot of stuff out.

[Joe Schmo]

You have no idea why Yephora left the forum.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with FOTL.

[DownwithIslam]

Scriabin, can you tell me why she left? I honestly thought it was because of fotl. I was busy when the ordeal with her happened and I was only coming on a few times a week. Can you seriously tell me why she left? Also I was hoping everyone could give Chaimfan some respect.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Scriabin, Chaim himself said that she left because of Fruit and he said that everybody knows that is why she left.

[Shlomo]

C.F. PLEASE stop calling insulting Thunderbolt and calling him names. What good can this bring?

Yephora says that she left because of posters like FOTL.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Jeffguy, I have sent you infinite emails and PMs about Thunderbolt. The guy refuses to quit. I have had it with him and do not know what else to do.

[ftf]

Jeffguy, I have sent you infinite emails and PMs about Thunderbolt. The guy refuses to quit. I have had it with him and do not know what else to do.

I can't stand newman, but I do my best not to make a fuss, you're not going to get on with everyone in life, live with it.

[newman]

Jeffguy, I have sent you infinite emails and PMs about Thunderbolt. The guy refuses to quit. I have had it with him and do not know what else to do.

I can't stand newman, but I do my best not to make a fuss, you're not going to get on with everyone in life, live with it.

The feeling's mutual, Poindexter!

[Shlomo]

Jeffguy, I have sent you infinite emails and PMs about Thunderbolt. The guy refuses to quit. I have had it with him and do not know what else to do.

I know, C.F. Both of you have to stop. I have talked to him too. It has to stop somewhere so someone has to be the bigger person and end the fighting. It's embarrassing to the forum to go back and forth like this.

[Lisa]

I agree with Jeff.  We're all adults here, and if we disagree with each other, we should at least be civil about it. 

Regarding Yephora, I never had any dealings with her.  Who knows why she really left?  And who cares?  If she hasn't responded to people's emails, the what's the point of posting about her? Forget about it.  No doubt, she was bright, but we're not going to please everyone.

[TheCoon]

I'm tired of these so-called Kahanists proclaiming they're "better" than others. Why are you a better Kahanist than others? What gives you the right to attack someone else's credentials? Because you get off calling blacks [censored], apes and baboons?? Because you think all arabs should be killed or raped? That makes you a good Kahanist? You call me a troll because I attack your evil opinions for what they are.  Kahanism is not fascism. You guys aren't Kahanists. You guys are fascists.

The NERVE of Chaimfan to portray himself as a victim after the scummy things he says about people. This is just typical of an evil individual to portray himself repeatedly as an innocent victim while saying evil things and working behind the scenes in a cowardly way.

[cjd]

You have no idea why Yephora left the forum.

I can assure you it has nothing to do with FOTL.

I would like to see Yephora come back also she had JTF values and was a touch of class on the forum. I agree with Scriabin their was more that made her leave than FOTL. As I remember it was another member who said some really nasty stuff about Moses. The worse part of the whole thing was after they caused Yephora to leave they took down the post that insulted Moses and left FOTL holding the bag for her leaving. She might have had issues with FTOL's posts but that was not the main reason why she left. As far as begging her to come back I think its more like coaxing her. Someone I know messaged her about coming back through YouTube and she said it wasn't likely she would return.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I'm tired of these so-called Kahanists proclaiming they're "better" than others. Why are you a better Kahanist than others? What gives you the right to attack someone else's credentials? Because you get off calling blacks schvartzas, apes and baboons?? Because you think all arabs should be killed or raped? That makes you a good Kahanist? You call me a troll because I attack your evil opinions for what they are.  Kahanism is not fascism. You guys aren't Kahanists. You guys are fascists.

The NERVE of Chaimfan to portray himself as a victim after the scummy things he says about people. This is just typical of an evil individual to portray himself repeatedly as an innocent victim while saying evil things and working behind the scenes in a cowardly way.

Mods, this speaks for itself. I have nothing to add to this.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Even if that is the real reason Yephora left, I still think she should have toughed it out and let the guy who insulted Moses have it. She should have stuck up for this saintly prophet and not fled.

[Shlomo]

I'm tired of these so-called Kahanists proclaiming they're "better" than others. Why are you a better Kahanist than others? What gives you the right to attack someone else's credentials? Because you get off calling blacks schvartzas, apes and baboons?? Because you think all arabs should be killed or raped? That makes you a good Kahanist? You call me a troll because I attack your evil opinions for what they are.  Kahanism is not fascism. You guys aren't Kahanists. You guys are fascists.

The NERVE of Chaimfan to portray himself as a victim after the scummy things he says about people. This is just typical of an evil individual to portray himself repeatedly as an innocent victim while saying evil things and working behind the scenes in a cowardly way.

Who gives you the right to judge who is and who is not a Kahanist? Isn't that part of your own argument?

I seriously hope you aren't referring to JTF, thunderbolt. You are taking a lot out of context. Picking out a handful of people on the forum and applying that to everyone at JTF is not right.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I am not going to respond to anything Thunderbolt says from here on out. Period. I have no need to. His posts say all that is needed.

[Joe Schmo]

I'm tired of these so-called Kahanists proclaiming they're "better" than others. Why are you a better Kahanist than others? What gives you the right to attack someone else's credentials? Because you get off calling blacks schvartzas, apes and baboons?? Because you think all arabs should be killed or raped? That makes you a good Kahanist? You call me a troll because I attack your evil opinions for what they are.  Kahanism is not fascism. You guys aren't Kahanists. You guys are fascists.

The NERVE of Chaimfan to portray himself as a victim after the scummy things he says about people. This is just typical of an evil individual to portray himself repeatedly as an innocent victim while saying evil things and working behind the scenes in a cowardly way.

Who gives you the right to judge who is and who is not a Kahanist? Isn't that part of your own argument?

I seriously hope you aren't referring to JTF, thunderbolt. You are taking a lot out of context. Picking out a handful of people on the forum and applying that to everyone at JTF is not right.

Thunderbolt isn't the problem here Jeff.  He's right.  RABBI KAHANE NEVER WOULD HAVE SPOKEN IN THE WAY THAT DOWNWITHISLAM, CF, NEWMAN AND OTHERS DO. 

He was too smart for that.

We'll NEVER be a mass movement so long as we support such inflammatory rhetoric.

Rabbi Kahane was called a Nazi, and he only wanted to throw the Arabs out!!  Imagine what we'll be called? 

And Chaim wants to be Prime Minister of Israel?