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kahaneloyalist:
This is from Sultan Knish, while I accept the rule of the Torah scholars I have been greatly dissapointed by the actions of Rav Ovadia, and could all Goyim please stay out of this discussion as it is related to Jewish law of which you have no place to speak, its not personal just Jewish law.

Ovadya Yosef Kills IDF Soldiers
Ovadya Yosef recently made a pronouncement that Israeli soldiers die in wars because they do not keep Shabbat or wear Tefilin. As usual Eli Yishai claimed that the statements had been taken out of context and that the Rabbi was speaking of biblical times, even though his statements were in the present tense. But let me provide some context.

Today the IDF has more religious soldiers and officers than it has ever had before. It has a higher proportion of soldiers who keep Shabbat and wear Tefilin than ever before. Today IDF soldiers are dying because of Ovadya Yosef.

Without Shas there would have been no Oslo Accords voted in and no Palestinian terrorist state. Without Shas, the entire Rabin-Peres reign of terror that has brought Israel to the brink of destruction and turned over a part of Israel to Arab terrorists would not be. Every Israeli soldier and civilian who has died since Oslo is a bloody stain on the hands of Ovadya Yosef, Shas and its voters. Every last one.

Soldiers who wear Tefilin and keep Shabbat are dying because bullets from Arab guns given to them by the Rabin-Peres government are killing them. Soldiers died because bombs detonated by suicide bombers trained by the Fatah terrorist state set up under Oslo exists.

Let's have a little more context. In 1983 a 14 year old boy named Danny Katz was kidnapped by five Arabs, tortured, sodomized and finally beaten to death. Two of them were also responsible for the rape and murder of a female soldier. Now employing his power as President, Shimon Peres YS'V has commuted their sentences making them shortly eligible for release. Peres did this after meeting with Arab MK Taleb a-Sana who also wanted Peres to pardon the murderers and rapists of another Jewish girl, Chanit Kikus. This is certain to be the beginning of a series of pardons by Peres of Arab terrorists and murderers.

It was Ovadya Yosef who put Peres in power. It was Ovadya Yosef who held a chummy session with Peres, who ordered his MK's as a test of loyalty to vote for Peres. Who warned that those who do not vote for Peres will be damned. It is thanks to Ovadya Yosef that the murderers of Danny Katz will be set free. The blood of those they murder will be on his hands as is the blood of every Jewish child murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo.

Kol Dmei Achicha Zaakim Elai Min Ha'Adamah - The blood of your brother cries out from the earth but all that the rotten leadership of Shas can hear is the clink of money. For money Shas betrayed Israel and the Jewish people and backed Rabin and Peres. For money they back Olmert and Peres. Five Shas MK's have been convicted of financial crimes and one is on trial now and it is only the tip of the iceberg.

Tefilin? Shabbat? Shas and Ovadya Yosef are guilty of murder. If you aid in the release of murderers, do you not have blood on your hands? If you enable a terrorist state to rise are not responsible for its victims? If you bring a man to the Presidency who loves nothing so much as Arab terrorists, are you not responsible for what he does?

When it is convenient Shas begins to playact as if it is right wing and when there is money on the table, it tosses aside all principles. It stretches out its pig feet to its voters and to the religious public and shows its sow's face to the left wing politicians who seek its favor and Israel's destruction.

When Jewish soldiers perished in the battle against the city of Ai, (Yehoshua 7) the reason was not a lack of Shabbat and Tefilin, it was because Achan had taken what was meant for G-d to himself. It was because of the theft of what was holy that soldiers died. How much of what belonged to G-d has Shas taken? From the money it solicits in the name of religion that its MK's and officials rob to Gaza with its Yeshivot and Batei Midrashim, which is part of the land that G-d gave and even unto the Kotel itself which this government which Shas supports is planning to give away.


 
י וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל-יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, קֻם לָךְ; לָמָּה זֶּה, אַתָּה נֹפֵל עַל-פָּנֶיךָ.  10 And the LORD said unto Joshua: 'Get thee up; wherefore, now, art thou fallen upon thy face?  
יא חָטָא, יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְגַם עָבְרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי, אֲשֶׁר צִוִּיתִי אוֹתָם; וְגַם לָקְחוּ, מִן-הַחֵרֶם, וְגַם גָּנְבוּ וְגַם כִּחֲשׁוּ, וְגַם שָׂמוּ בִכְלֵיהֶם.  11 Israel hath sinned; yea, they have even transgressed My covenant which I commanded them; yea, they have even taken of the devoted thing; and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have even put it among their own stuff.  
יב וְלֹא יֻכְלוּ בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, לָקוּם לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֵיהֶם--עֹרֶף יִפְנוּ לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֵיהֶם, כִּי הָיוּ לְחֵרֶם; לֹא אוֹסִיף לִהְיוֹת עִמָּכֶם, אִם-לֹא תַשְׁמִידוּ הַחֵרֶם מִקִּרְבְּכֶם.  12 Therefore the children of Israel cannot stand before their enemies, they turn their backs before their enemies, because they are become accursed; I will not be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.

 
יג קֻם, קַדֵּשׁ אֶת-הָעָם, וְאָמַרְתָּ, הִתְקַדְּשׁוּ לְמָחָר: כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, חֵרֶם בְּקִרְבְּךָ יִשְׂרָאֵל--לֹא תוּכַל לָקוּם לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֶיךָ, עַד-הֲסִירְכֶם הַחֵרֶם מִקִּרְבְּכֶם.  13 Up, sanctify the people, and say: Sanctify yourselves against tomorrow; for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel: There is a curse in the midst of thee, O Israel; thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.

Israel has no shortage of accursed things in their midst and no shortage of Achans, especially among the Haredi parties who claim to take what is for G-d in ways that are abominable, but of them Shas is the worst. And the blood of soldiers and children, wives and mothers, men and boys is on the hands of Ovadya Yosef, on the hands of Shas party officials and on the hands of anyone who votes for the next of corruption that is Shas.

Ovadya Yosef often announces who should go to hell. I think the man who helped set the rapists and murderers of Danny Katz belongs on that list. And I think that if we do not put the "accursed" from us, the curse will continue to rest upon us.

chakma613:

--- Quote from: kahaneloyalist on August 29, 2007, 11:34:41 AM ---This is from Sultan Knish, while I accept the rule of the Torah scholars I have been greatly dissapointed by the actions of Rav Ovadia, and could all Goyim please stay out of this discussion as it is related to Jewish law of which you have no place to speak, its not personal just Jewish law.

Ovadya Yosef Kills IDF Soldiers
Ovadya Yosef recently made a pronouncement that Israeli soldiers die in wars because they do not keep Shabbat or wear Tefilin. As usual Eli Yishai claimed that the statements had been taken out of context and that the Rabbi was speaking of biblical times, even though his statements were in the present tense. But let me provide some context.

Today the IDF has more religious soldiers and officers than it has ever had before. It has a higher proportion of soldiers who keep Shabbat and wear Tefilin than ever before. Today IDF soldiers are dying because of Ovadya Yosef.

Without Shas there would have been no Oslo Accords voted in and no PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi terrorist state. Without Shas, the entire Rabin-Peres reign of terror that has brought Israel to the brink of destruction and turned over a part of Israel to Arab terrorists would not be. Every Israeli soldier and civilian who has died since Oslo is a bloody stain on the hands of Ovadya Yosef, Shas and its voters. Every last one.

Soldiers who wear Tefilin and keep Shabbat are dying because bullets from Arab guns given to them by the Rabin-Peres government are killing them. Soldiers died because bombs detonated by suicide bombers trained by the Fatah terrorist state set up under Oslo exists.

Let's have a little more context. In 1983 a 14 year old boy named Danny Katz was kidnapped by five Arabs, tortured, sodomized and finally beaten to death. Two of them were also responsible for the rape and murder of a female soldier. Now employing his power as President, Shimon Peres YS'V has commuted their sentences making them shortly eligible for release. Peres did this after meeting with Arab MK Taleb a-Sana who also wanted Peres to pardon the murderers and rapists of another Jewish girl, Chanit Kikus. This is certain to be the beginning of a series of pardons by Peres of Arab terrorists and murderers.

It was Ovadya Yosef who put Peres in power. It was Ovadya Yosef who held a chummy session with Peres, who ordered his MK's as a test of loyalty to vote for Peres. Who warned that those who do not vote for Peres will be darned. It is thanks to Ovadya Yosef that the murderers of Danny Katz will be set free. The blood of those they murder will be on his hands as is the blood of every Jewish child murdered by Arab terrorists since Oslo.

Kol Dmei Achicha Zaakim Elai Min Ha'Adamah - The blood of your brother cries out from the earth but all that the rotten leadership of Shas can hear is the clink of money. For money Shas betrayed Israel and the Jewish people and backed Rabin and Peres. For money they back Olmert and Peres. Five Shas MK's have been convicted of financial crimes and one is on trial now and it is only the tip of the iceberg.

Tefilin? Shabbat? Shas and Ovadya Yosef are guilty of murder. If you aid in the release of murderers, do you not have blood on your hands? If you enable a terrorist state to rise are not responsible for its victims? If you bring a man to the Presidency who loves nothing so much as Arab terrorists, are you not responsible for what he does?

When it is convenient Shas begins to playact as if it is right wing and when there is money on the table, it tosses aside all principles. It stretches out its pig feet to its voters and to the religious public and shows its sow's face to the left wing politicians who seek its favor and Israel's destruction.

When Jewish soldiers perished in the battle against the city of Ai, (Yehoshua 7) the reason was not a lack of Shabbat and Tefilin, it was because Achan had taken what was meant for G-d to himself. It was because of the theft of what was holy that soldiers died. How much of what belonged to G-d has Shas taken? From the money it solicits in the name of religion that its MK's and officials rob to Gaza with its Yeshivot and Batei Midrashim, which is part of the land that G-d gave and even unto the Kotel itself which this government which Shas supports is planning to give away.


 
י וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל-יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, קֻם לָךְ; לָמָּה זֶּה, אַתָּה נֹפֵל עַל-פָּנֶיךָ.  10 And the LORD said unto Joshua: 'Get thee up; wherefore, now, art thou fallen upon thy face? 
יא חָטָא, יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְגַם עָבְרוּ אֶת-בְּרִיתִי, אֲשֶׁר צִוִּיתִי אוֹתָם; וְגַם לָקְחוּ, מִן-הַחֵרֶם, וְגַם גָּנְבוּ וְגַם כִּחֲשׁוּ, וְגַם שָׂמוּ בִכְלֵיהֶם.  11 Israel hath sinned; yea, they have even transgressed My covenant which I commanded them; yea, they have even taken of the devoted thing; and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have even put it among their own stuff. 
יב וְלֹא יֻכְלוּ בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, לָקוּם לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֵיהֶם--עֹרֶף יִפְנוּ לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֵיהֶם, כִּי הָיוּ לְחֵרֶם; לֹא אוֹסִיף לִהְיוֹת עִמָּכֶם, אִם-לֹא תַשְׁמִידוּ הַחֵרֶם מִקִּרְבְּכֶם.  12 Therefore the children of Israel cannot stand before their enemies, they turn their backs before their enemies, because they are become accursed; I will not be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.

 
יג קֻם, קַדֵּשׁ אֶת-הָעָם, וְאָמַרְתָּ, הִתְקַדְּשׁוּ לְמָחָר: כִּי כֹה אָמַר יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל, חֵרֶם בְּקִרְבְּךָ יִשְׂרָאֵל--לֹא תוּכַל לָקוּם לִפְנֵי אֹיְבֶיךָ, עַד-הֲסִירְכֶם הַחֵרֶם מִקִּרְבְּכֶם.  13 Up, sanctify the people, and say: Sanctify yourselves against tomorrow; for thus saith the LORD, the G-d of Israel: There is a curse in the midst of thee, O Israel; thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.

Israel has no shortage of accursed things in their midst and no shortage of Achans, especially among the Haredi parties who claim to take what is for G-d in ways that are abominable, but of them Shas is the worst. And the blood of soldiers and children, wives and mothers, men and boys is on the hands of Ovadya Yosef, on the hands of Shas party officials and on the hands of anyone who votes for the next of corruption that is Shas.

Ovadya Yosef often announces who should go to hell. I think the man who helped set the rapists and murderers of Danny Katz belongs on that list. And I think that if we do not put the "accursed" from us, the curse will continue to rest upon us.

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You cal this a critique, it sounds more like a diatribe to me.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
Chakma, your idolatry is between you and G-d now. Have fun in banland!  ;)

kahaneloyalist:
CF, Chakma is not performing idolotry and Chakma while it is rather polemical SultanKnish does raise legitimate points about the actions of Rav Ovadia shlita

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