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Lisa:
Chakma613, you have been nothing but trouble, ever since you started responding to my posts.
So don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You are banned!
chakma613:
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--- Quote from: ftf on August 29, 2007, 07:11:56 PM ---As you have not desisted, I feel compelled to answer you.
You say that my faith Christianity is idol worship. And yet, I ahve no idols, no pictures or statues or any other physical objects that I bow to. I have but one G-d that I serve, the G-d of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Now, I believe that G-d has three components to him, just like a tree has roots trunk and branches and is yet one tree, G-d as the creator of all things (including trees) can surely be more complex than a tree, can he not?
decimos: If you have any questions about Christianity please contact me with the pm feature.
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Here he goes again with his heresy-by-stealth!!!
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Idol worship is far more than just worshiping a physical entity. Avodah Zarah consists of worshiping any detity, physical or otherwise, other than Hashem. He does not understand this, but I am not caling him an idolater, because of a complex halacha that I will not explain now.
decimos:
i understand what you are saying.but every journey has a first step,mine has started i need to be prepared physically and spiritually for the road.theres an old British Army saying "preparation prevents piss poor performance" and while i too rejoice in every muhj getting slotted.wars are sometimes one thru knowledge, know your enemy.lets face it Islam is all about subjugation and enforced law, religious law.if that law is wrong i know this because i have understood what is right,my free will tells me that.sometimes you have to understand a thing to defeat a thing.and i say this to you with all due respect.
ftf:
--- Quote from: chakma613 on August 29, 2007, 07:14:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: ftf on August 29, 2007, 07:11:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: chakma613 on August 29, 2007, 06:48:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lisa on August 29, 2007, 06:45:03 PM ---Chakma613, just as JTF is against people trying to convert Jews, we are also against Jews telling Christians and others, either directly, or via implication that their religion is idolatery (sp?) or that it's wrong in any way.
For the purpose of this movement, we work with people whose religious beliefs do not always match our own. That's life. Decimos seems geniunely interested in our movement. So I don't think it's appropriate to scare him away by bickering about what is and is not idol worship.
In other words, if you want to continue pontificating about how Christianity is idol worship, or how no one is allowed to have differing opinions than your beloved rabbis, do so elsewhere.
Consider this your first and only warning!
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On the surface, your idea is a good one. However, I canot allow you to spread sheker about torah. You stated that xtianity is not avodah zarah, and I had to correct you, this is my responsibility, and indeed mitzvah. I see nothing wrong with what I said - had you not told the poster in question what tyou told him about xtianity, I would not have said anything.
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As you have not desisted, I feel compelled to answer you.
You say that my faith Christianity is idol worship. And yet, I ahve no idols, no pictures or statues or any other physical objects that I bow to. I have but one G-d that I serve, the G-d of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Now, I believe that G-d has three components to him, just like a tree has roots trunk and branches and is yet one tree, G-d as the creator of all things (including trees) can surely be more complex than a tree, can he not?
decimos: If you have any questions about Christianity please contact me with the pm feature.
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Your statement is in contrast to our authority rambam(mainmonides), who rules something QUITE different. You are comparing G-d to a tree - you have clearly been taken in by polytheistic thought, as th8is is the oldest and most primitive argument made for polytheism, to say that G-d is made up of many parts cv's.
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Are you telling me God cannot be more complex than a tree? If you want an example in the Torah of God being shown as a trinity, try Genesis chapter 18 verse 1.
I hold myself to no authority but that of God, the rambam were men, not God.
Also, ignore newman's comments about me he decided to hate me a long time ago, and will criticise anything I do or say as a matter of principle.
newman:
--- Quote from: Lisa on August 29, 2007, 07:15:15 PM ---Chakma613, you have been nothing but trouble, ever since you started responding to my posts.
So don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You are banned!
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Good one, Lisa!
Boot a religious Jew out but keep a christian missionary!!!
Great idea!
(sarcasm off)
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