Rabbi Ovadia Yossef's Latest Gaffe

[chakma613]

I never called him a fake Rabbi, you're making that up.  I simply stated "Fake Rabbis".  I never said he was a fake Rabbi.

We were discussing people you consider to be fake rabbis, so the assumption that you were referring to r'ovadiah was an easy one to make

[jdl4ever]

There is no assumption to make since I never said anything directly about R' Ovadia Yosef in this thread. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Jeff, I at least wasn't insulting. I said that his statements and decisions have been mistaken and damaging. It is not true that Arabs are the friends of Jews, that we should seek to spare Arab lives, or that Chaim should be banned from Israel. These are just three very wrong opinions that Ovadia Yosef holds and has taught his followers. Someone in such a high and revered position should have exercised better thought and judgment before issuing these rulings, in my opinion.

[Shlomo]

I agree with you on this, C.F.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

His reasoning sounds like the Rambam's argument, and I respect that, but I do not agree.

So I take it there is more than one opinion regarding reincarnation?

Yes, but rambam is in the minority here - most do not hold like him today.

it wasnt the Rambam, it was Rav Saadya Gaon- and even by him (by the way Chaim said it on the show) i think that what the Rav was saying is that one should no belive in reincarnation in that if you say ooh I will have another chance , etc. then you wont improve yourself now.
 anyway since the Arizal Hakadosh this has been public knowledge- and gilgulim is a kindness from Hashe-m for us to repair ourselves while we have a chance. But know that every sin is accounted for, as well as every Mitzva.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Unfortunatly their are many people in todays world who arent properly balanced and so have a need to bash Rabbis, Torah Scolars and Religious Jews in order to justify their own mistakes and wicked actions. I do not believe that their are a conciderable amount or any tinok shenishba today. Every Jew has the opportunity to learn Torah and find out what it is. If one cant go to a lecture he or she can use a computer, etc. Lets stop making excuses for our negative behavior and start correcting ourselves a step at a time. (each person on his/her level).

[Lubab]

Unfortunatly their are many people in todays world who arent properly balanced and so have a need to bash Rabbis, Torah Scolars and Religious Jews in order to justify their own mistakes and wicked actions. I do not believe that their are a conciderable amount or any tinok shenishba today. Every Jew has the opportunity to learn Torah and find out what it is. If one cant go to a lecture he or she can use a computer, etc. Lets stop making excuses for our negative behavior and start correcting ourselves a step at a time. (each person on his/her level).

Recognizing that someone has been brainwashed is not a contradition to correcting those mistakes. Chabad for example is probably the biggest defender of those unobservant Jews, on one hand emphasizing how they don't know better, but then are also one of the most active movements to actually educate them and fix the situation. So the two things are not mutually exclusive.

And if you think that just because something is available on the intrnet or in your country is a valid "opporitunity" for these Jews than you are not familiar with the mindset of those that come out of the secular Israeli school system and their hatred for all things religious.

We should have this strict perspective about OURSELVES and scrutinizing OUR OWN actions (especially since we are in Elul) but when it comes to OTHER people's actions-you should try to help as much as you can and otherwise be "Dan LeKaf Zechut".  In the merit of not judging our fellows so harshly, may G-d also judge  us favorably this Rosh Hashana!

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I didnt say being Observent is easy, but it kills me seeing people at least not trying or having the goal. Many people in todays generation live like pigs and dont even attempt to change. I live in a secular invironment, many of the people I meet and interact with arent fully religious( neither am I), but their are differnt levels of people though. Former friends of whom I see I can have no positive influence in, I dont interact with them any longer. Friends who I can see that want to change and do, do things that are positive and if I have any affect I am friends with them and do concider them to be my brothers.

[Lubab]

Every Jew is your brother and sister whether they are observant or not. "Yisroel Af Al Pi Shechata Yisroel Hu" the Talmud says.

Which means a Jew even though he may sin, is still a Jew.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Every Jew is your brother and sister whether they are observant or not. "Yisroel Af Al Pi Shechata Yisroel Hu" the Talmud says.

Which means a Jew even though he may sin, is still a Jew.

thats only as long as he is attached to his higher soul and is concidered Yisrael. If someone who does something that deserves Karet, then s/he is "cut off" from their Jewish soul, their are ways to do tishuva and everyone should, but in the mean time I wouldnt call a public sinner my brother if he does things that are beyond tolerence. This also applies to big sinners who cause Hillul Hashem and who sin and cause others to sin for example the media and government in Israel. They are not my brothers, if their life was in danger I wouldnt give a damm, and I would like to get rid of them much more then I do to the arabs ( and I want arabs gone now).

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Tzvi, please tell me who is going about "bashing rabbis".

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Tzvi, please tell me who is going about "bashing rabbis".

it wasnt specific, but directed towards a lot of people in the world today. I would say that every non-religious Jew has some of it (everyone on his own level) but I cant say it as a fact.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

No, you leveled this charge at forum members. Please be a man and tell us who you think was defaming rabbis or stop with these whines and complaints.

[DownwithIslam]

I can't believe people still don't understand that Ovadia Yosef simply does things to fatten his pockets. After working to elect Shimon Peres simply as a business decision betraying the jewish people, it is not surprising that Ovadia Yosef would continue his policy of making radical anti Jewish comments and showing his vile hatred for people who are a little different than him. For him to talk negatively about the non religious when he sits their on his thrown eating gourmet meals and wiping his tuchis with the 100 dollar bills shimon peres throws his way is simply a disgrace. He is do what I say, not what I do.