Your opinion about Turkey (the state, not the chicken) ?

[Dr. Dan]

it would make a good ask jtf question what chaim thinks of Kemal Attaturk, the Otthoman Empire, and Turkey when it first became a secular state.

[RationalThought110]

I asked Chaim on Ask JTF within the last month or two about Turkey and Kurdistan and whether he thinks the Kurds should get independence from Iraq; Turkey is against an independent Kurdish state so I also asked if it's better for the Kurds to get what they want or for Turkey to get what they want. 


I just searched for the question using the search feature...

From July 29's Ask JTF:

        What do you think of the Kurds trying to gain an independent state of their own?  A segment about Kurdistan were previously shown on CBS's "60 Minutes" months ago, showing them living in peace and controlling the security of their territory.  They want to separate themselves from the chaos and not be part of Iraq.  They seem to appreciate their liberation that's been given to them as result of the war.  What do you think of this?

       
      Is Turkey a secular country?  Why is there a conflict between Turkey and the Kurds?  I think Turkey is against the Kurds having their own state.


       In a conflict between Turkey and the Kurds--where Turkey wants to prevent the Kurds from separating from Iraq and having their own state-- should one side be seen as a more favorable outcome over the other--whether the Turks get their way and there's no Kurdistan state or the Kurds get their way and they're able to separate from Iraq and have a Kurdistan state?




   It took too long to download so I didn't see the response to the question.  But maybe you should check out Chaim's response to that question to see what he thinks of the Kurds and Turkey. 

[jsullivan]

Dexter.. the way you as a Jew view Germany, is the way I as a Christian view Turkey. I don't care if it's "modern" or "secular" now. Does that make more sense?

Vito, Dexter also thinks "modern" Germany is OK. He thinks we can't blame today's Germans for the holocaust, even though today's Germans do NOT regret that their grandparents murdered 6 million Jews, and today's Germans would love to see a holocaust against 5 million Israeli Jews. That's why today's Germans are anti-Israel and pro-Arab.

So if Dexter feels this way about Germany, it's no surprise that he feels the same way about Turkey.

Chaim has spoken about Muslim Nazi Turkey many times on his television program. Chaim has pointed out that Turkey perpetrated holocausts against millions of innocent Armenians, Greeks and Serbs. And Turkey persecuted and oppressed the Jews in the Land of Israel when the Turks occupied the Holy Land before World War I. The Turkish Nazis did everything possible to prevent the creation of a Jewish state when the Zionist movement began trying to get Jews to return to Israel from the 1880s to 1917. In 1917, the British removed the Turks from the Holy Land.

The Turks are a cruel, evil and vicious people whose crimes against the Armenians, Greeks and Serbs are similar to the crimes committed by the Germans against the Jews.

America and Israel consider Muslim Nazi Turkey to be an "ally". This is completely insane. The Turkish media is violently anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.

[Dexter]

Vito, Dexter also thinks "modern" Germany is OK. He thinks we can't blame today's Germans for the holocaust, even though today's Germans do NOT regret that their grandparents murdered 6 million Jews, and today's Germans would love to see a holocaust against 5 million Israeli Jews. That's why today's Germans are anti-Israel and pro-Arab.

So because the German GOVERMENT is anti-Israeli does it mean that the German are anti-Israel ? no, because you can say that Israelis are anti-Israelis bye electing Olmert for the head of the Israeli goverment .

Did you know that the men that try to blow Hitler up to peices are today's Germany national herose ?
Did you know that even though Germany is anti-Israel as all European states are, Germany is the best european ally for israel ?

How do you know that they don't regret that their grandparents murdered 6 million jews and 4 milion other people ? did someone made a poll about it ?

Chaim has spoken about Muslim Nazi Turkey many times on his television program. Chaim has pointed out that Turkey perpetrated holocausts against millions of innocent Armenians, Greeks and Serbs. And Turkey persecuted and oppressed the Jews in the Land of Israel when the Turks occupied the Holy Land before World War I. The Turkish Nazis did everything possible to prevent the creation of a Jewish state when the Zionist movement began trying to get Jews to return to Israel from the 1880s to 1917. In 1917, the British removed the Turks from the Holy Land.

It's the Ottoman Empire, I'm talking about Turky from AtaTurk days (1923)..

[Boeregeneraal]

I agree with Dexter on Germany.

Hitler did NOT come to power via popularity. NO! Hitler only had about 20% (might be wrong on the specific percentage, but the amount of popularity for hitler was VERY low) of the vote.

Hitler cunningly hijacked fuhrer stauts. Id advise that all read up about this fact.

The moral is, MOST Germans did NOT support hitler!

[HiWarp]

Chaim has spoken about Muslim Nazi Turkey many times on his television program. Chaim has pointed out that Turkey perpetrated holocausts against millions of innocent Armenians, Greeks and Serbs. And Turkey persecuted and oppressed the Jews in the Land of Israel when the Turks occupied the Holy Land before World War I. The Turkish Nazis did everything possible to prevent the creation of a Jewish state when the Zionist movement began trying to get Jews to return to Israel from the 1880s to 1917. In 1917, the British removed the Turks from the Holy Land.

It's the Ottoman Empire, I'm talking about Turky from AtaTurk days (1923)..

I can post paragraphs and paragraphs of information but I'll try to keep it short.  This is all post-1923.

In the beginning of the 20th century there were 300,000 Greeks residing in Constantinople.

In May 1941, large numbers of young men ranging in age from 18-38. were conscripted into the Turkish army from the Greek and Armenian communities The Turkish intention was to exterminate these young men through the well-known method of "forced-labour battalions".

On 11 Noverriber 1942, the Turkish government passed a law regarding taxation of property of non-muslims, known as the VA RLIK VE RGISI. Through this !aw non-muslim citiizens had to submit, without the right to appeal, to the discretion and arbitrary judgment of the tax clerks.
As a result (of the use) of these harsh and inhuman measures, by 1955 only 25,000 people were left, rather than the 450,000 that should have been their number given a normal rate of growth in 35 years.

Attacks in Constantinople:
The attack by the angry mobs began at 5:50 PM on the 6th of September 1955 and ended at 02:00 AM on the 7th of September 1955.
§         the Theological School of Halki, the Marasleios School, The Monestary of Valoukli, the Zappeio School for Girls and many other sites, suffered great damage.

§         of the 83 Greek Orthodox churches in the <<Polis>> 59 were burned and most others suffered serious damage to the icons and ancient paintings of great value.

§         the tombs of Patriarchs were destroyed, Christian cemeteries and ossuaries were defiled ;

§         3,000 homes were looted and destroyed ;

§         4348 Greek stores were looted and destroyed ;

§         200 Greek women were raped ;

§         hundreds of Greeks were ill-treated or tortured, such as the old Bishop of Derkon Iakovos; the metropolitan of Ilioupolis Yennadios, whose beard was cut off and who was then dragged through the streets so that he would die shortly thereafter from ill-treatment; and Bishop Pamphilou Yennadios that was thrown into the burned ruins of Valoukli;

§         15 Greeks were murdered and among them a 90 year old monk at the Valoukli Monastery, Chrys. Mantas, who was burned alive. Many others in the monastery were seriously wounded.

In 1964 12,000 Greeks who were protected by the Treaty of Lausanne were deported from the city by the Turkish government. They took with them three times their number in relatives and friends. Therefore, in the years 1964 to 1966, about 48,000 Greeks were forced to abandon their ancestral homes.

As of 2005, only 2,000 Greeks still remain in Constantinople.

In July 1974 a coup was staged in Cyprus by the US controlled Greek military junta, then in power, for the overthrow of President Makarios and Turkey used this pretext to launch an invasion with a fully fledged army against defenseless Cyprus. The invasion was carried out in two stages in which the Turkish troops eventually occupied 40% of the island's territory, and has been called by the Turks themselves-without shame-Attila operation.

Ankara tried to justify the invasion as a peace operation aimed at establishing the constitutional order disturbed by the coup, but even after the restoration of such order and the return of President Makarios to the island in December 1974, the Turkish troops remained to back up the plans of Turkey to colonize Cyprus as a first step to annexation. Two hundred thousand Greek Cypriots, 40% of the total Greek Cypriot population, were forced to leave their homes in the occupied area and were turned into refugees. The few thousands of Greek Cypriots who remained in their homes after the completion of the invasion were gradually forced through intimidation methods to leave their homes and move to the south.

[Ultra Requete]

NSDAP was greatest party in German Reichstag in 1933; and Geman anti nazi resitance was a few thouands men in nation of eighty milions; many of them like Staufenberg and others joined only when they realised  war was lost; We can say anything but without III Reich the WWII with 55 milons of dead woud not happen;  so we can  blame them on germns too; lastlly the germans never voluntary repented for their vrimes; they were forcibly ashamed by alies post WWII; now they resent USA for this; Did heard of this plot
to blow up US base in Ramstein? Once a nazim always a nazim, now islamonazim for a change.   

[mord]

Yes and 2 where real traitors real Germans who converted to Islam

[Dexter]

NSDAP was greatest party in German Reichstag in 1933; and Geman anti nazi resitance was a few thouands men in nation of eighty milions; many of them like Staufenberg and others joined only when they realised  war was lost; We can say anything but without III Reich the WWII with 55 milons of dead woud not happen;  so we can  blame them on germns too; lastlly the germans never voluntary repented for their vrimes; they were forcibly ashamed by alies post WWII; now they resent USA for this; Did heard of this plot
to blow up US base in Ramstein? Once a nazim always a nazim, now islamonazim for a change.   

And the Kahanists in Israel are also a few thouands men in nation of 6 milions...so ??
Hitler got only 44% of the votes in 1933 .

 HiWarp - Now I understand your point.....

[Boeregeneraal]

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN LESS THAN 44%

kEEP IN MIND ALSO, MANY GERMANS WERE INTIMIDATED INTO VOTING FOR THE NAZI'S

[Dexter]

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN LESS THAN 44%

kEEP IN MIND ALSO, MANY GERMANS WERE INTIMIDATED INTO VOTING FOR THE NAZI'S

Maybe i'm not so sure..
anyway, they voted hitler only or mainly because the economic issue .

[Boeregeneraal]

that's right dex

[AussieJTFer]

They voted for hitler y'shmo because they hated Jews, plain and simple. The Germans are the descendants of Haman, they are the physical descendants of Amalek. There is a midrash explaining how Haman would spawn a nation called germamia of edom.
Hardly any were ashamed of their deeds, many fled to arab countries because they knew that their beliefs would be extremely well received by the arabs and wanted to foster the racial anti-semitism of nazism into the existing islamic based hatred of Jews.
Germany today is not a threat, not enough time has passed for them to start up their Jew killing, they'll just let the arabs do that themselves right now. Lucky for us, the arabs are primitive beasts unlike germans who have always been modern and industrious.

[Boeregeneraal]

Germany is under the Top Five most Economically strong countries in the world. Now, why would G-D bless Germany so greatly, if it was evil? I just don't get it

[Shoshana]

I don't think there is such a thing as a country of muslims that is an ally.

[Boeregeneraal]

They voted for hitler y'shmo because they hated Jews, plain and simple. The Germans are the descendants of Haman, they are the physical descendants of Amalek. There is a midrash explaining how Haman would spawn a nation called germamia of edom.
Hardly any were ashamed of their deeds, many fled to arab countries because they knew that their beliefs would be extremely well received by the arabs and wanted to foster the racial anti-semitism of nazism into the existing islamic based hatred of Jews.
Germany today is not a threat, not enough time has passed for them to start up their Jew killing, they'll just let the arabs do that themselves right now. Lucky for us, the arabs are primitive beasts unlike germans who have always been modern and industrious.

on what do you base your words, that Germans are of the seed of Amalek?

[Vito]

Germany is under the Top Five most Economically strong countries in the world. Now, why would G-D bless Germany so greatly, if it was evil? I just don't get it

I would have to disagree with you on that Boere.. between Germany's socialist system and the Euro, the German economy has been falling apart, same with France and Holland.

[Dexter]

Germany is under the Top Five most Economically strong countries in the world. Now, why would G-D bless Germany so greatly, if it was evil? I just don't get it

I would have to disagree with you on that Boere.. between Germany's socialist system and the Euro, the German economy has been falling apart, same with France and Holland.

You mean befor Hitler became PM of Germany or after ?

[Kananga]

Germany is under the Top Five most Economically strong countries in the world. Now, why would G-D bless Germany so greatly, if it was evil? I just don't get it

I don't think that has anything to do with G-d at all.

[Dexter]

Germany is under the Top Five most Economically strong countries in the world. Now, why would G-D bless Germany so greatly, if it was evil? I just don't get it

I don't think that has anything to do with G-d at all.

Everything has to do with God ...
Unless you are Deist of Atheist .

[Kananga]

Put it this way.  I don't believe G-d loves Germany more than it does any other country.  Their economical success has more to do global economics than it does it's attributes as a holy nation.

[Dexter]

Put it this way.  I don't believe G-d loves Germany more than it does any other country.  Their economical success has more to do global economics than it does it's attributes as a holy nation.

Why do you think God loves tham if they have great economic ?
If the babylonian won the Jews, that means that God love tham ?
Of course not .

[Kananga]

It's my belief that the global economy is a design of man.

I believe that G-d loves all nations.  I believe the Jewish people are G-d's chosen people assigned with the task of redeeming the entire world as a "light" among the nations. But every now and then, throughout history,  some among the other nations will adopt contrary beliefs, will rise up to reject this idea and take it out on the Jewish people.  Conversely, it's been well documented in the writings of the prophets that there have been among the jews throughout history who have rejected the task that G-d had chosen for them, and as a result the people as a whole have suffered.