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Erica:
--- Quote from: Ze'ev Jabotinsky on September 09, 2007, 05:31:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on September 09, 2007, 05:23:10 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Erica on September 09, 2007, 04:37:10 AM ---
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--- Quote from: Erica on September 09, 2007, 04:29:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 09, 2007, 04:26:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on September 09, 2007, 04:07:38 AM --- Are you legitimate?
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Yes.
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Good for you...so am I...sort of. LOL My mom and dad decided to get married 4 months after I was born... My birthday is February 1, 1974... My mom and dad's wedding day was June 20, 1974 *Father's Day*.
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I asked you a personal question and I told you something personal about me. No harm no foul.
Since you want to point out specifics though, you didn't tell me what someone else NOT getting married has to do with you and your personal life. You convieniently left that out of the above quote.
You're making a discussion about a group's behaviour into something personal about YOU as an individual again.
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The personal lives of others are affected by un-married parents because their bastard children grow up to be muggers and criminals.
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Generalizing again...
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Of course he's generalizing. He never claimed to be not generalizing. Just use some analysis and realize what his point is. Children of unmarried parents are more likely to be involved in crime than children of married parents, and that affects the lives of other people. There, was that so hard? These are facts.
Also, your changing around of the definition of the word illegitimate isn't going to fly. The word has a clear definition that everyone here, including yourself, knows, so please don't play any games with us.
I find it funny that you argue to us about your own situation and say that you're always an exception to the rule, but your parents weren't married and your husband has illegitimate children from two different women. You seem to fit the stereotypical definition in that regard.
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I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.
The word illegitimate is a negative term used to hurt children of broken homes. ANd I told you that my parents WERE married, Yacov. They got married on Father's day to make the day important to my dad. He had all intentions of marrying my mother even before I was thought of, my mom was too young at that time. My mom and dad stayed married for 8 years. They did all they could and it didn't work out.
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 09, 2007, 05:44:54 AM ---If she was too young to get married, why was she having sex?
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Why are you asking me? I wasn't there... ::) I'm imagining that my grandmother was too afraid to talk to her about sex and she learned through other means.
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 09, 2007, 05:47:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on September 09, 2007, 05:43:21 AM ---I'm no stereotype. But like I said, how does what one person or three people does in their life affect you? How does my having step daughters who have two different mothers impact your life at all? I never said I was an exception to ANY rule, that's what you and newman say. I'm one of many stepmothers who married men with children.
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It's not a problem that you married someone with kids or that they have two different mothers. The problem is that your husband was never married to either of the mothers at the time the babies were conceived. But it is indeed commendable that you didn't have kids out of wedlock.
BTW, just because people don't have kids out of wedlock, it doesn't mean it's okay to have sex outside of marriage, even when using "protection".
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Yacov, you do know that you're not lord over anyone or their actions, right? If my husband had married the my step-daugthers mothers, they'd have been divorced 2 months afterwards because they both cheated on him. I think it was smart of him not to marry them. That's my opinion though. As for the conception of his kids, he regrets having them so early in life, but never flaked out of caring for them. He loved them from the moment they were born. No matter what the circumstances were,he's still a real man.
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