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Italians and Other Mediterranean Racial Groups
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 05, 2007, 06:42:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: newman on September 04, 2007, 09:59:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on September 04, 2007, 09:53:30 PM --- Italians aren't white; they're Italians.
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Comments please.
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There's your affirmative action genius.
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Yacov, why are you always calling me Affirmative action? Second, I said that I was sorry and that I was mistaken. I knew this would happen. What do you want, blood?
Jasmina:
;D
nikmatdam:
shem are the semites... arabs and jews... those descendant from yitzchak and yishmael... but also the other sons of shem have to be thrown into the mix here... the babylonians for example... a good source is rabbi aryeh kaplan's living torah which shows archeaological data tracing the three sons of noach until today...
for example and this was taught to me by my rebbe rav bulman... yefet are the europeans from greek, spanish, german and french stock... persia and india are each an admixture of yefet and cham and chamites are all other africans and asians and the north and south american indians... italy and england are roman (i.e. semetic) with the exception in rome of the invading goths and in england of the celts and anglo-saxons... all of germanic stock...
however the gemora in megilah (12 i think) asks where amalek resides and the answer given is in germania shel edom... which would make germans part semetic as well... slavs as in serbia and russia and the other baltic states are also esavites intermingled with yefet... but see aryeh kaplan for further details...
color of skin breaks down for the most part as follows...
shem... olive and brown...
yefet... white or pale (light skinned)...
cham... black, red and yellow...
but as i've just told you there are exceptions and admixtures... and no one since the advent of sancherib and the assyrians (ashur) is of pure lineage any longer... that's over 2500 years ago already... and so there you go...
hope this helps... nik. out...
EagleEye:
I said I was done, but I was addressed by an interesting comment, so I'll respond.
--- Quote ---According to that, you can say that there were first whites and blacks in Africa but the whites didn't have a high survival rate so they only grew in large numbers when they left Africa. So if you believe in the "out of Africa" theory, there goes the myth of "Everybody was black, UMM HMM!". Whites did not evolve from blacks.
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Maybe, maybe not. There are North African Caucasoids who are native to Africa, and of Mediterranean decent. I'm not talking about immigrants from Europe.
The South Africans, however, are Northern European.
Daniel:
I find it really amazing that when Newman makes comments that are about 1000 times more ridiculous and racist than this, it gets virtually no response from any of you guys. But now that Erica has made a response like this, it's now become a 4 page thread.
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