Author Topic: Evolution, Creationism, non or both ? (Read 5226 times)

Dexter · « **on:** September 07, 2007, 10:03:17 AM »

I hope the poll is clear .

Lubab · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2007, 12:30:04 PM »

I believe in devolution, not evolution. And I beleive in creationism. There is no choice for me in this poll.

Wait a minute. I'm a global moderator! I've added my choice to the poll.

Dexter · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2007, 01:08:30 PM »

Quote from: lubab on September 07, 2007, 12:30:04 PM

I believe in devolution, not evolution. And I beleive in creationism. There is no choice for me in this poll.

Wait a minute. I'm a global moderator! I've added my choice to the poll.

lol

TheStore · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2007, 05:43:52 PM »

I belive G-d created everyone and everything in its current state, with the potential for natural selection.

Rubystars · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2007, 06:00:58 PM »

Multiple lines of objective physical evidence point to no other conclusion but to accept evolution as a fact. This does not mean that the universe and world was not Divinely created. I believe that it was. I believe that evolution was guided, but that different species came about through an evolutionary process nonetheless.

I'm going to see Lucy at my local museum pretty soon. I'm pretty excited about it too.

I'm really into Biology and I've been a part of the evolution debate online for a while. I know most of the arguments back and forth, so if anyone has some (evidence based) questions I'll discuss them if I know the answer, and if I don't I'll try to find it.

TheStore · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2007, 06:27:21 PM »

the original Lucy was discarded as a fake.

Rubystars · « **Reply #6 on:** September 23, 2007, 07:15:41 PM »

Quote from: TheJewishStore on September 23, 2007, 06:27:21 PM

the original Lucy was discarded as a fake.

When did this occur? Where did you hear something like that?

Lubab · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2007, 02:32:37 PM »

Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 23, 2007, 06:47:05 PM

What's devolution?

The belief in accordance with the Torah (as expalained in the Midrash) that apes devolved from humans, not the other way around.

Kain was turned into an ape by G-d as a punishment for killing Abel.

HiWarp · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2007, 02:48:59 PM »

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Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim link=topic=8491.msg90245#msg90245 date=
What's devolution?

The belief in accordance with the Torah (as expalained in the Midrash) that apes devolved from humans, not the other way around.

Kain was turned into an ape by G-d as a punishment for killing Abel.

Ahh. I thought you meant that modern day humans are devolving into some lesser form of life. Judging from what I see on the streets of Manhattan, I would have agreed with you.

Lubab · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2007, 04:00:15 PM »

Yeah that is also true in a sense.

In general the world started out perfect and then we messed it up. The world keeps getting more crass and physical and gross, but ultimately to reveal G-dliness in the current generation is the ultimate feat and that's why the redemption will come to this generation.

AussieJTFer · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2007, 07:55:38 AM »

It is hard to argue against evolution given all the biological and paleontological evidence. That is not to say that G-d did not create the universe however.

Tzvi Ben Roshel1 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2007, 05:49:42 PM »

Quote from: lubab on September 07, 2007, 12:30:04 PM

I believe in devolution, not evolution. And I beleive in creationism. There is no choice for me in this poll.

Wait a minute. I'm a global moderator! I've added my choice to the poll.

Yepp it makes sense. My Rabbi also said that as the generations go all fruits, foods, etc. loose their value and taste. The older generation enjoyed better produce then we do today, and also fruits were much bigger say 2,000 years ago then today. For example the Olive (I believe it was said to be the size of todays egg).

Raulmarrio2000 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:28:52 AM »

Why should we be so inquisitive about the way Hashem created the world? Perhaps through guided evolution, perhaps He made everything as it is now. But why do we need to know? Will it make us better persons? Scientists spend a lot of time investigationg the origin of life, the origin of galaxies, the origin of everything..... But noone cares to explain how a clever and sophisticated civilization has the power to make a wonderfull technology, but is still unable to overcome Ietzer Hara

Rubystars · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2007, 11:06:02 PM »

We should be inquisitive about everything in the natural world, including origins. This helps us to better understand the universe we live in.

Lubab · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2007, 04:44:07 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on November 05, 2007, 11:06:02 PM

We should be inquisitive about everything in the natural world, including origins. This helps us to better understand the universe we live in.

Yes and it also helps us to better understand and come closer to G-d as we can learn more of the Creator through His creations in the same way one can get to know an artist through his works of art even in you never met him.

Realizing how G-d created the world helps us see His hand and everything and this helps a person in the service of G-d.

Rubystars · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2007, 10:38:08 PM »

I always feel closer to the Creator of the universe while studying nature.

Sort of like appreciating any beautiful work of art helps you understand the artist better.

JTFFan · « **Reply #16 on:** November 13, 2007, 06:44:47 AM »

That's a difficult question, but I've also taken some Biology courses though am not skilled in the subject by any means. However, I think you can believe in both Evolution and Creationism. Although they both seem to conflict sometimes with my Christian beliefs. I don't know, but I've heard some people say that whatever evolved on earth and in the universe was part of God's design and how it turned out?

Dominater96 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 16, 2007, 02:12:23 PM »

Science is compatible with the torah, and cannot be dismissed. I think The world was created with a big bang, that G-d made, that is what it is talking about on "yom rishon"- a great book on this is "In the Beginning"- biblical creation and science, by Nathan Aviezer.

yeshuadisciple · « **Reply #18 on:** November 25, 2007, 01:47:46 AM »

Creationism, and if by devolution you mean the creation is descending into greater chaos then I believe that too. Early man must have been incredible in physical abilities and cognitive abilities. With life spans of almost 1000 years and the creative genius implied by all the unique inventions by the 6th generation like metal working, musical instruments etc. Some authors I've read suggest that the pre-flood world may have been as advanced or more so than ours, but the Bible says nothing of it because there wickedness overshadowed their technological accomplishments.

a website I really enjoy is answersingenesis.org They have loads of articles by mostly Phd. Scientists who reject evolution and uphold the Bible.

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Evolution, Creationism, non or both ?

Author Topic: Evolution, Creationism, non or both ? (Read 5226 times)