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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2007, 09:30:04 PM »
I put breast implants, high heels, and ties for men all in the same category, because all three are examples of terrible physical discomforts being imposed on individuals by societal pressure.

I never, EVER wear a tie.  The only time I MIGHT ever wear a tie again, would be if a miracle happened and I had to dress up for my wedding day.  Otherwise, I refuse to let society severely restrict my breathing capability.

Women should feel similarly about high heels.  They are horrible for a woman's lower back and knees, and make walking an almost impossible venture.  Women only wear high heels because they think it makes them more attractive to men.  Well, to the women of the world, please do not sacrifice your health and comfort that way, to please that very superficial part of male nature!

Breast implants may be the worst thing of all, not only because it is so permanent, but because it is so fake.  How embarrassing I feel when I have lusted a woman's seemingly big, beautiful, shapely breasts, only to discover that they are made of silicon!  I may as well lust after one of those blow-up dolls that really desperate men resort to utilizing.

As much as we men do find a woman's ample breasts attractive, no woman should feel she has to resort to having them put on her, just to attract men to her.  I am about as normal a man as there is in existence, yet when judging a woman's attractiveness, it is really the whole package that matters, not the size of her breasts.  Big breasts are nothing more than icing on the cake, and even then, only serve that function if they are real.

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2007, 09:41:56 PM »
Jewish teddy bear, i think you are my favorite person on this forum currently....

except i disagree with a whole bunch of things you said except for the breast implants...that i agree with.

I can't speak for how a woman dresses, but I'll speak for myself when I dress up. The truth of the matter is, I am happy with the clothing I wear as long as it keeps me warm and i'm comfortable in it.

however, there is a concept of dressing appropriately for certain occasions.  For me, wearing a tie not only looks good on me on certain situations, but it superficially makes me more noticable and more prominent in my line of work.  yes, human beings are generally superficial..like it or not. If you want to gain someone's favor and most people are superficial, you are usually better off looking good, dressed up nicely, nice haircut, nice shoes, even a nice car, just to get their favoritism on a first impression, only to grab them in with your wonderful righteous message.

A person with a righteous message but dresses like a slob because it's "more comfortable for him" will not go as far.
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2007, 09:59:38 PM »
Thank you, Danny, for the nice compliments.  And no, to all the cynical people reading this, this is not a love-fest.  I can assure you I am 100% straight, and I am fairly sure Danny is as well.

Getting to the matter of dressing well, remember, I only spoke about ties when it comes to men.  While I admit that I do not like getting dressed up at all for any occasion, and while I do think that all that dressing up in a long-sleeved white shirt and black suit accomplishes is to make us look like penguins, that I am nevertheless willing to dress up as the occasion demands.

Except for two areas: ties and shoes.  Since I still have the need to breathe, I refuse to wear ties under any circumstance, except maybe on my wedding day, should that day ever come.  My shoes also need to feel comfortable, if I am going to be using my legs for things like standing and/or walking.  I will not wear any shoes that are not either gym shoes, or Birkenstocks.  And no, I am not a hippie, although somebody I know claims that I am without realizing it.

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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2007, 10:01:57 PM »
"Damn hippies, want to kick them in the nuts!"  :laugh:
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2007, 10:11:39 PM »
I am the first to admit that the hippie generation was the beginning of the moral downfall of America.  Their protest against the Vietnam war resulted in millions of southeast Asians being murdered in cold blood by their fellow communists.  Their dislike of the military and anything smacking of traditional values, are definite turn-offs for me.  As somebody who values whatever brains I have left enough to have never, ever taken an illegal, mind-altering drug in my life, their romanticizing drugs has done millions of Americans terrible harm.

Nevertheless, I do find some positive things about the hippie generation as well.  I like their honesty and unpretentiousness, and I like a lot of their music.  The highest percentage of great American music comes from that era.

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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2007, 08:51:33 AM »
I agree with you JTB in part.  One can take this decay of the West pre-the 1960's-70's hippie generation to that of the Korean War or even our selling out at Yalta by FDR as the start of the decline.  The day the West's foreign policy became from National to International/Globalism the writing was on the wall.  The Hippy Communist/Socialist/Humanist/New Age 60's and 70's was a predictable occurance.  The fact is that most, if not all, of these were funded by the Communists and too the, now called, "Neo-Conservative". 

I must disagree with you on the music comment you made.  I, particularly, feel that that was the start of the decline of the musical professionalism and creative Classical to the fabulous Big Band and Jazz era ending with early rock of the 1950's, which was overwhelmingly based on morality, love, family and many of the positive attributes of civility.  Now when this Hippy Generation came into being one noticed this creativity changed and largely influenced by socio-political agendas of Socialism/Communism/Humanism and the Eastern Pagan/ New Age Gnosticism.  I would go on but as a good example would be when blacks contributed largely to some of the best musical talents, even though much was based on Jewish/Gershwin, one must acknowledge their contributions and too recognize the total collapse of their creativty and over all decline into this Rap-hip/hop filth...  my 2 cents brother... Keep up the good posts... ;)
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2007, 01:11:14 PM »
MarZutra, thanks for appreciating what I post.  I am glad somebody likes them.  In fact, I am glad when people read them at all, whether or not they agree with what I have to say.

I do not know what went on at the Yalta conference or its significance, but I would sure like to be educated about it.

The 1960's was the beginning of the end for America because that was the era that brought in the radical left that we see dominating one of our two major political parties today.  In the good old days, while the dhimmicrats did somewhat flirt with socialism, they were nevertheless strong supporters of freedom of speech, equality of opportunity, fighting evil, and spreading democracy all over the world.  Remember, it was the Democrat President, Woodrow Wilson, who coined the phrase, "Make the world safe for democracy" which is actually a wonderful thought that has unfortunately and strangely been vilified since then. 

Now the dhimmicratic party has become a bastion of blame America for all of the world's problems, hate Israel, pro socialist, judging people by the color of their skin rather than by the content of their character, evil suicidal pacifism, ridiculous glorification of American Indian societies, pro murdering helpless unborn babies (abortion) and people too old to take care of themselves (euthanasia), all cultures are equally valid (multi-culturalism), and so on.  Even as a Republican, I lament the fact that the major rival political party, the dhimmicrats, have turned into a bunch of McGovernites.

I myself consider myself to be a neo-conservative.  Usually, when people attack the neo-cons, it is a thinly disguised form of antisemitism, since it is largely Jews who really are behind that movement (just as was the case with early Communism).  I see the neo-cons as the Jewish version of Republicanism: Among its beliefs, it believes in free market capitalism and lower taxes, opposes affirmative action, and most importantly of all, it has adapted Woodrow Wilson's plan of making the world safe for democracy.  neo-conservatism is compassionate conservatism; among its leading gentile spokesman are William Bennett, Cal Thomas, and President Bush himself.

I do not know enough about jazz or big band music to make an educated comment on it, or to properly compare it to the music of the 1960's and 1970's.  To tell you the truth, while I have heard that jazz is a genre of music every bit as sophisticated as classical music, I personally do not care for jazz.  I have a very left-brained mind, which means I like things to be organized and rational, with a beginning, middle, and ending.  But jazz is the opposite of that: it never really begins and never really ends: it is just sort of there, setting a certain kind of mood.  As for big band music, such as Benny Goodman or the Gershwin brothers, my mother loved that stuff, but it just seemed so foreign and out-of-date for me.  That is most certainly because that is not the era I grew up in.

When I say I like the music of the 1960's and 1970's, I am not at all talking about the lyrics to any of these songs.  Most of the time, I can barely understand what they are saying, and even when I do, I still have trouble understanding what is mostly gibberish (with some notable exceptionsm, such as Don McLean's brilliantly touching song about Vincent van Gogh).  I am talking about the music in itself, the Sound of its Music.

Let me give you an example.  Unfortunately for me, I discovered the late great Israeli singer, Ofra Haza, only years after she tragically died so young.  Of course I had heard of her before, but I had associated her with Arabic sounding music, which in turn I associate with a lot of incessant percussion and not much melody, which is just not my taste in music.  Also, I had not realized just how important she has been to Israeli culture; I have since learned that she had as strong an impact on modern Israeli culture as the Beatles had had on England and the United States.

Well, thanks to youTube, I have not only re-discovered Ofra Haza, but I am proof positive that a man can fall in love with a beautiful and extraordinary talented women, even if she has already died.  That sounds very maudlin, maybe even a bit pathological, except that men really do get transfixed by a woman's charm and beauty, and there she is, right on those adorable videos of hers. 

But Ofra Haza is not just a beautifully talented singer.  When I hear and watch her singing, part of my transfixtion on her is that I ultimately do not think she is really singing at all, but rather praying, crying out, to G-d.  Her voice and words cut through my heart and penetrate my soul.  Listening/watching her is far more of a religious/spiritual experience than it is anything cultural or purely musical.

And yet, unfortunately, my Hebrew really is not all that great.  Although I do know hundreds of Hebrew words, I am not fluent enough to carry on a meaningful conversation in Hebrew.  I only have a vague sense of the exact words of most of what Ofra Haza sings.  And yet it does not matter.  Like the ram's horn which we just heard blown on our Jewish New Year, the most powerful sounds are ones that transcend words, reaching straight into one's heart.
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2007, 05:28:15 PM »
You make some very interesting and good points.  I, personally, am a Conservative or more correctly moralist as based on the Torah.  Of course I'm not perfect, far from it, but I believe that the foundation of every productive society is literally the teachings of the Torah as its root.  I do not believe in "Neo"-Conservatism because I do not believe it is our business interfearing in any other's nation's politics.  One could argue that it is this "globalist" ideology, whether it be Internaitonal Socialism or "Neo-Conservatism" it is all globalist in nature.  I believe that every nation has its rights to its own culture, religion and value system, UNTIL, it is thrusted onto someone elses.  Examples being the Islamic horde, Socialism and Communism.  I believe that some of our biggest frauds are self proclaimed "Neo-Conservatives", like Ghorge Bush Senior and Junior.  I would classify myself as more closely aligned to the early Barry Goldwater, MacArthur, McCarthy or John T. Flynn who wrote the fabulous book "The Decline of the American Republic".  If you are into reading you'd enjoy the second volume of Oswald Spengler's "Decline of the West".  Very indepth and applicable reading..  Although I disagree with Michael Savage on a few issues: "Evolution", Religion, "The Bolistinian Beoble" and Israel the rest I'm pretty much in agreement with his outlook of Borders, Language and Culture...

Something further that you said that truly sparked my thought as you being 110% correct was when you extended your initial starting point of the Decline of America, back from the 1960's (Although a very contributory era) was indeed with President Woodrow Wilson.  You must know the factually correct history of is Communist "alter ego" Col. E. M. House?  Woodrow Wilson was a disaster and in my opinion, the starting point of the decline. 

I think there are many organizations that work continually for it and the promulgation of their bankrupt "globalist" ideology and undermining of the Constitution are the CFR/Trilateral Commission and the ACLU amongs others.  Oh, before I forget, If you are into politics you will very much enjoy the read by Rose Martin - "Fabian Freeway; The High Road To Socialism in the United States of America"

The Yalta Conference was attended by Stalin, FDR and Churchill.  This was the point where Communism was, internationally, excepted as a "tolerable" ideology and one that is not to be defeated but "contained".  Sadly, that didn't happen.  The result of that conference was the, once independant, nations of Eastern Europe were abandoned to the Communist sphere, the fall of China, Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Vietnam, Africa and many of the South American/Middle Eastern nations under Communism or Socialism/Leninism and the murder/deaths of literally millions.  They all fell one after the other.  With FDR's Lend Lease program this fall became excelerated to the point that Americans were fighting endless, no win wars (largely thanks to the UN and the farcical Geneva Conventions/Rules of Engaguement) against enemies funded by Wall Street "Neo-Conservatives" or Supreme Capitalists with American made miltary arms...  This I could go on for hours on.  One of the best Authors in my opinion dealing with this stuff is Dr. Antony Sutton from the Conservative Right and the G-d of Bill Clinton; Dr. Caroll Quigley from the Communist: International Socialist Left... ;)
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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2007, 06:45:41 PM »
We may have to agree to disagree on the subject of what I would call The Prime Directive.  Ever watch the original Star Trek series?  The purpose of their mission was to explore new life and new civilizations in outer space.  The Prime Directive meant that they were only to observe, but not interfere with, whatever civilizations they explored on other planets.  But of course, they did several times, when they felt that their moral conscience would not rest.

I realize that was only a television show, but the moral lesson taught in all that is a very Jewish one (Captain Kirk and Mr Spock happen to be Jewish).  In the Torah, my guess that it is probably in Leviticus Chapter 19 or 20, G-d instructs the Jewish people to not stand idly by your brother's spilled blood.  In other words, if I witness an innocent man being shot, and do nothing to help him recover, than I myself am held partly responsible should the man die.

America is one of the very few countries on Earth that is free.  Much of the world has been held in captivity, either through the more overt means of slavery, or more subtle means such as socialism, communism, naziism, islamofascism, and other forms of totalitarianism.  Most of the people living in such societies have done nothing to deserve such a fate.  As people living in the freeist and most civilized nation on Earth, we have a moral duty to make sure the rest of the world is free as well.

A person may raise the objection that I am advocating imperialism, and that I am therefore no better than any land-grabbing nation.  In fact, though, these are false charges.  Countries that land grab tend to be exactly the kind of repressive regimes that I am advocating we fight against.  America is the very opposite of imperialism: we do not conquer nations and take them over; we free hundreds of millions of people, and then let them run their own countries as they see fit. 

Woodrow Wilson in a certain sense had the same problem that President Bush has: they have wonderfully lofty, moral goals, but they do not know how to communicate them well.  President Wilson was a very aloof, academic type, without charisma, and President Bush is about as bad at communicating as President Reagan was good at it.  but that does not mean that the message of these great people is any less valid.

Regarding the Yalta Conference and its larger subject of the policy of containment of communism that lasted from Roosevelt all the way to Reagen, that is a complicated, no-win situation.  America had to align itself with Stalin and the Soviets if we had any hope of defeating the even more evil adolf shitler and the nazis.

Once we defeated the nazis, we could then take on the Soviets.  Containment may be a mistake in retrospect, but maybe the the world was tired of wars after so many millions of people were slaughtered in the Second World War.  Then in the late 1970's and early 1980's, we sided with the moslems over the Soviets, because at that period of time, we perceived the Soviets as the much bigger threat, which they in fact probably were. 

Thanks to President Reagen, the Soviets and communism in general were laid to rest.  Now we are stuck with the next great evil we must destroy, the evil of islamofascism.  Ironically, islamofascism may be the greatest evil of them all, as it is much harder to destroy an evil ideology whose roots are deeply held religious beliefs lasting some 1,500 years.  Communism and naziism were highly artificial political systems imposted from the outside and lasting a relatively short time, so they were much easier to get rid of than islam.

That is why, in a sense, President Bush is to be admired more than just about any President since Abraham Lincoln, because President Bush has inaugurated the most ambitious fight against evil that America has ever engaged in, that of fighting the evil, murderous, deeply held religious beliefs of some 1,200,000,000 people world-wide.

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2007, 07:49:56 PM »
The position indicated in Leviticus 19:16 is solely meant for Jews as the Torah was only meant for Jews.  So to this, I disagree that we should be influencing any political situations, cultures and what not in other countries.  I am too an advocate to close our borders with questionable nations and questionable peoples.

I agree about America being "free", sadly that is being challenged by the enemy within. Cicero was right on this one...lol  But it is still none of our business challenging and influencing/interfering with other's countries and peoples unless there is an active genocide or some aspect of a war like that of Nazi Germany.  Would you have the same ideology if it were expanding Communism as opposed to "spreading democracy"?  Should that be the case why can't America "spread democracy and freedom" 12 miles off the coast of Florida?  We have no such right to enter and dictate to others unless they literally are doing something like genocide or war onto a "friendly" nation.  What we consider our "moral" duty, the Communists say likewise, as do the Hidus and Muslims etc.  This is the political ineptness that causes wars not solves them.  Because I believe you are doing wrong, does that give me the right, because my "morality" might be a bit different than yours to interfere in your life?  What an inept arguement brother.  In my opinion, it is only acceptable to actively interfere with another's business if, like Ahmedinajad's stated plans for Israel and America, invites intervention but to sail around the world touting ones culture or pushing Jesus or Mohammed ect. is wrong by any logic.  The fact of the matter is that most of the advocates for such an ideology are those that profit the most on them like Rockefellers dealings via Philby to grant Ibn Saud his family business built on Armaco's financing..

Oh Really, When has America ever "freed" anyone?  After World War 2, during which they and Britian allowed the ovens to continue burning well after the knowledge of the holocaust came down the pipeline.  America allowed 1/3rd of the Earth's population to fall under Communism which as you know murdered millions.  Allowed Hungary and Poland to be betrayed and fall to the communists, supplied and built Nazi Germany, Communist Russia and too China, allowed the Rwanda Massacre to take place, put the Mullah's in power in Iran, let China fall to Communism as well North Korea, Cuba the entire African continant pretty much and also turned on the Serbs....  I could go on for days my friend.  The fact of the matter is 98% of America's Foreign Policy is tied to Britian and is built on greed and corruption.  I need not get into the CFR, Fabian Society and many others of linked influence.  I belive America is the best country on Earth, sadly it is headed by an Oligarchy of elitists with a very different goal than Conservatism or the "culture" that America had been built on.  You know a good subject for you to read about to put all this into perspective is something on Dialectical Materialism and "Conflict". 

Woodrow Wilson was horrible not because he wasn't a great leader but because he was very sympathetic with the Communalist ideology and acted in kind as advised by his Communist "alter ego" House.  Bush is a fraud and the worst President in American History, perhaps next to Jimmy Carter.  He has not one ounce of Conservatism in his vains.  He's all about Globalism and building a New World, just like his evil father.  Regan was a different sort.  Like the early Barry Goldwater, Regan was a Conservative but abandoned most of it when he was allowed to head the Republican party and throw his hat into the elections against Carter.  Everyone has people to answer to as Barry Goldwater positions in his memoirs "With No Apologies".  The fact of the matter is that both parties are nearly identicle at their top.  International Socialists on one side and Liberal Globalists on the other...    Sad, but both sides don't give a damn about your Constitution aside from the grass roots Republicans who haven't a shot in hell of ever winning..

Actually your position with Stalin is untrue.  Totally and emphatically.  Communism could have been defeated in 1945 or even up to the end of the Korean War years while America had their B-52 Stratofortresses stationed in Europe, Turkey and Alaska. No question.  It could have been defeated if Douglas MacArther would have been allowed to knock China out of the sphere during the Korean war.  The sad fact is that FDR's appeasement to Stalin at Yalta bore the continually ongoing tragedy of not confronting Russia before they had any nuclear arms and further before they had any reliable delivery systems.  How many wars today are funded, planned and coordinated by Russia since 1945?  For a Jew the fact that Israel would have won a total and complete unconditional surrender in 1967 had Russia been a non entity and the yom kippor war would never had gotten off the ground, not to mention Korea, Vietnam nor the continual problems we are facing today in the Middle East...   I disagree with you whole heartedly here my brother....

"Once we defeated the nazis, we could then take on the Soviets.  Containment may be a mistake in retrospect, but maybe the the world was tired of wars after so many millions of people were slaughtered in the Second World War." Now this I agree with but sadly the real criminals were never brought to trial: those who financed the rise of both Hitler, Lenin and the rest of the Communsit Regimes: Rockefeller for example or Armandhammer another.  "Then in the late 1970's and early 1980's, we sided with the moslems over the Soviets, because at that period of time, we perceived the Soviets as the much bigger threat, which they in fact probably were."  Now I agree with you here as well.  Sadly, again it was too about Oil or some say drugs/opium similar to the days of the East India Trading Company.., like Iraq today but again those that did the dirty were never prosecuted, in this case Jimmy Carter and many member of his CFR lead administration.

"Thanks to President Reagen, the Soviets and communism in general were laid to rest."  This is a huge propagand piece.  The fact is that Communism didn't die nor was it defeated it just changed and was unleashed.  A very good book on this specific subject was one called "New Lies for Old" by Anatoly Golitsyn".  If one looks at the world today, there are more Socialist nations or Communism based nations than there was before 1988.  As V. Lenin stated so elequently when he coined the ideology of "Parestroika": "The goal of Socialism is Communism" or, to show you how the communalist ideology has become such an infection today is the ideology coined in 1929 by none other than Joseph Stalin is now house hold usage here: "Political Correctness". 

You are right about Islam.  If I were to rate all of them, I'd say that the real problem are the globalists here in America first and foremost.  Not the low ones on the pole but the Rockefeller: CFR/Trilateral/Bilderberg etc. types.  They are the ones that finance the Communists as well the Nazis.  In turn both the elitists, the communists and their spiders web of organizations work hand in glove with the Islamists.  With out the continual undermining in this country by the ultra Leftist and their organizations founded and funded by the elitists themselves, our fight agaisnt both Communism and Islam would be much easier.  You know there is a good video based on the book by Cleon Skousen "The Naked Capitalist" on YouTube called "The Capitalist Conspiracy", it is actually quite good.

"That is why, in a sense, President Bush is to be admired more than just about any President since Abraham Lincoln, because President Bush has inaugurated the most ambitious fight against evil that America has ever engaged in, that of fighting the evil, murderous, deeply held religious beliefs of some 1,200,000,000 people world-wide."  This I totally disagree with.  Any President would have responded in kind after 9-11 and a true Conservative and Nationalist with some moral integrity would have ordered an investigation into the United Nations, pulled out from that abominable entity of liars and antisemites, Investigated and shut down the CFR/Trilateral and probably the ACLU in time, probably would never have bombed Iraq but Saudi Arabia or Iran directly especially after the legal suit connecting the Saudi Royal family and terrorist financing by John Loftus.  At least, I believe it was Thomas Jefferson that bombed the hell out of the Muslims in Algeria rather than paying off their Barbery pirates like Britian and France continually did.  If Bush or even the Olmert government in Israel had any integrity whatsoever they'd end this Arab/Jew conflict and not by expelling Jews from their land but exposing the lie of there being such animal as a "Bolistinian Beoble" and the "W est Bank"....   Ghorge Wetback Bush is a total fraud through and through surrounded by international elitists, CFR globalists and corrupt connections to Islamic oil cartels like the rest of the Presidents dating back to the early 1930's.   3 cents from ol-Marzutra... 

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2007, 09:15:11 PM »
I certainly do not want to find myself in the position of defending President Franklin Roosevelt.  My mother venerated him when she was younger; to her dying day, the stories that came out later about how he refused to bomb the railroad tracks leading to Auschwitz and so on troubled her deeply.  Maybe that was why she usually avoided politics like the plague.

I am certainly no expert on these matters, but I regard President Roosevelt as perhaps the most overrated President in American history.  From what I understand, he not only did NOT end the Depression, but prolonged it with his socialist ideas.  And while we do need to show appreciation for his fighting and defeating the nazis, the fact is that he was forced into it by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and even then, as I just stated, he did not bomb the railroad tracks or even the Death Camps themselves that in the long run would have saved probably millions of Jewish lives.

In my previous post, I was NOT saying that I AGREE with our nation's policy of containing Communism, only that maybe that is what our war-weary world decided to do as a response to that movement at that time.  Perhaps, too, there was a part of us that was thankful to the Soviets for helping us defeat adolf shitler.  Remember, too, that conservative ideas were considered to be the fringe until Ronald Reagen thankfully made them acceptable again.

I definitely do not agree with the idea that Communism is more rampant today than ever.  On the contrary, while Vladimir Putin is himself somewhat reminiscent of past communist dictators, he is nowhere the tyrant that people like Stalin, Krushchev, or Brezhnev were.  While China is communist, they are (with the exception of Taiwan) generally not an aggressive, imperialistic country, and the influence of Hong Kong is making it slowly but surely move toward capitalism, which should, at least according to Milton Freidman, eventually lead to greater and greater personal freedoms as well.  Even North Korea has decided to curtail its nuclear weapons program.

As for why we do not move into Cuba to free the people there, all I can say is, good question.  I think we should.  I think people make a mistake in faulting President Kennedy for the Bay of Pigs incident; at least he tried to kill Fidel Castro.  If I were in charge, I would assassinate him, as well as Kim Jong Ill, Hugo Chavez, and any other top leader who so severely oppresses their people in such a dictatorial fashion.

One of the points I had tried to make earlier, but I guess the point did not come across clearly, is that to me, there is all the difference in the world between our spreading freedom throughout the world, and the former Soviet Union, for example, taking over satellite nations.  We represent freedom and democracy; rather than just confine such inherent human rights to just our people, it is our moral duty to spread it wherever we can, yes, in the spirit of that passage from Leviticus.  The spread of communism, in contrast, accomplishes the exact opposite: it enslaves millions and millions of more people.  We should not allow that to happen.

As for President Bush's admirable war against islamofascist terrorism, I, too, fault him for calling the Saudis our eternal friends and for not (at least yet) bombing Iran's nuclear capabilities.  At least, though, he has made a start, choosing Afghanistan and but mostly Iraq as his initial targets.  I hope and pray that Rudy Giuliani becomes our next President, although now that I think of it, I can imagine people like Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo as being the ones most likely to implement my dream of bombing the daylights out of just about the entire islamofascist world, destroying ever mosque and koran publishing house in existence.

As for political correctness, I could not agree with you more.  While islamofascism is definitely our greatest physical threat, there is no question that political correctness is our greatest internal, social threat.  The very first amendment to our Constitution includes the Freedom of Speech, yet thanks to the totalitarian left with their oppressive political correctness, people are no longer allowed to freely speak their minds without facing some terrible consequences.  I personally have been fired from several jobs the moment it was found out that I am nothing if not politically incorrect.

Beware of people who proudly claim to be liberal in the best tradition of tolerance, because what they really are, are extremely INtolerant toward any view that dares to not be a leftist perspective.  All those marches of protest for peace?  See how they act when a politically conservative speaker begins to talk.  That more than anything I say will show just how intolerant these politically correct leftists really are.

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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2007, 10:13:05 PM »
Just wanted to comment on the "moral decay" of America since the 60's/70's.

Quite honestly, this world, especially this country goes through trends. It seems that each generation rebels against the previous, give or take.  It seems to me, now that the "hippie" generation is the generation in charge, their children/grandchildren will feel spiritualess and begin a religious uprising against these "hippies".  I will not be surprised if the Christian Right takes over 24 years from now; Likewise we'll see this with Israel with the religious zionists taking over (the current 13-19 year olds).

But I might be wrong simply because I haven't lived long enough nor am capable of predicting the future...however, it's only a speculation.
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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2007, 10:16:07 PM »
Danny, that backlash against the hippie generation began long ago, in fact starting with the Reagen Revolution in the 1980's.  Not only did he restore politically conservative values, but talk radio sprang up, which is largely politically conservative.  With all that was a religious revival among both traditional Christians and Jews; in religous Jewish circles, it is called the Ba'al Teshuvah movement.

I certainly hope that the religious zionists are gaining ascendancy in Israel.  It is certainly a better choice than either the secular leftist zionists, and the anti-zionist religious right.

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« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2007, 11:22:21 PM »
I see where you are coming from.  The need to spread "freedom and democracy" is the same logic that the communists use to spread Communism or Socialism as it was known yesterday and "globalism" as it is known today.  The fact is America is not a democracy but a Constitutional Republic.  Most "democracies" are in decline today into Socialism, Canada, France, Holland, Germany, Denmark, Spain etc. 

You are correct that the Communism of today is different than that of Stalin's day.  Partially because they could not get away with it today, but that too is debatable as we witnessed the massacres in Rwanda and currently going on in sudan.  So perhaps if Russia turned to Stalin's way rather than Lenin's we would "sit idly by" like we are doing with Sudan.  But the sad fact is that there are far less "Christian" democracies today then there are Socialist Oligarchial regimes.  Too, as you noted Communism was not defeated or contained if it were Cuba wouldn't be free to be still plotting today and sending "foreign aids" to promulgate the Communist ideal throughout Afraica, South America, Asia and the Middle East.  This goes doubly for China whose military got caught in July hacking into the Pentagon's computer.  North Korea and Syria's Baath's roots are in Communism as is Egypt's Mubarak after Nasser.  Sorry to digress.

Much of the State Department's history is that of backing the wrong group and assisting a Communist Regime to enter power: Cuba, China, Congo etc.

It, my friend, is all one big tragic sham.  Politicians are so corrupt today that they have little to no moral integrity.  Globalism is an infection.  Worry about the individual, your nation and Israel.  The sins of the world are left to HaShem to cleanse or fix.  The only result that will come from galavanting over the globe is war and tax payer taking the hit to "spread freedom and so-called democracy".  Most of the democracies in these horrible places are a sham.  All for the lining of the pockets of the elite off the backs of the tax payers. 

For example, Canada has no business building roads, schools, hospitals and mosques in Afganistan with MY FCUKING TAX DOLLARS while our own "Socialized" Health System is bankrupt and collapsing, our Educational system is fascist, closed and pure Leftist politically dumbing down arena and our civil infrastructure is in total decay.  They estimate that the city of Montreal alone will cost 100 billion to bring it up to par.  All this "Free Trade", "Foreign Aid", "Humanitarian Relief" UNICEF etc. is all Marxist in nature and clearly depicted as "Wealth Transfer" in the Communist Manifesto.  Globalism is a rotten ideology......  Anything Marx supported, I detest. ;)
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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 11:36:11 PM »
It is too bad that until recently, Canada has largely gone the socialist way of Europe rather than the democratic way of America.  Perhaps this may have something to do with the strong French presence in Canada via Quebec.  It may also have something to do with a lot of the Vietnam draft dodgers escaping from America into Canada.

In any case, Canada has now elected the politically conservative, pro-America, pro-Israel Stephen Harper, so maybe this is the beginning of better things for Canada.

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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2007, 11:59:27 PM »
Actually, what started out as a Christian Conservative Nationalist from the old Right Wing "Reform" Party is turning out to be a total fraud like George Wahabbi Bush.  Stephen Harper wrote a fabulous article about 4 years ago stating that "Global Warming" was purely a Socialist Fraud based on Junk Science.  Now he is legislating all of this "Global Warming" laws, increasing taxes, working with Bush and the dictator of Mexico to foward the NAU.  He's a globalist fraud just like Bush. They both are driving our nations down the toilet. 

Factually, speaking our decline started in the 1960's when Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Communist sympathizer and accused agend by James Jesus Angleton became Prime Minister and bolstered his "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" a purely egalitarian piece of rubbish.  To tell you how correct Angelton might have been is that he was barred from entering the United States because he was a "Friendly" to the Communists, was a frequent visitor to Russia, China and Cuba and had Fidel Castro as a Palbearer at his funeral.  He fathered a child out of wedlock in his 80's and rode around on his bike with a swastika patch on his back while our boys were over in Germany fighting....

There's a bit of untold Canadian History.. ;)
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2007, 12:09:53 AM »
Sorry, but anybody who trashes President Bush, loses a lot of crediblity with me.  I am so tired of the Bush bashing that goes on mostly from the left, but even from the right as well.  He is our greatest President since Ronald Reagen, and do believe he will one day be thought of in the same way that Harry Truman is now thought of, as compared to the unpopular way he was in his own day.

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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2007, 12:35:03 AM »
Sorry, but anybody who trashes President Bush, loses a lot of crediblity with me.  I am so tired of the Bush bashing that goes on mostly from the left, but even from the right as well.  He is our greatest President since Ronald Reagen, and do believe he will one day be thought of in the same way that Harry Truman is now thought of, as compared to the unpopular way he was in his own day.
In all seriousness, what has Ghorge Wetback Bush done that is so great?  Honestly?  He has gotten us into a war that he will not fight to win but drag out like Korea and Vietnam.  He does not back the troops when leftists accuse them of crimes taken from the mouths of the enemy.  He wants to open the borders and flood America with Illegal Aliens with his inept "Guest Worker Program" which is like Kennedies years ago.  He is a member of the Eastern Liberal Establishement and has barely any Conservative principles whatsover. 

He fails to openly back Israel to annex all of their remaining 1923 mandated lands West of the Jordan.  He sends arms, funding and even training to the Bolistinians.  He pushed for the selling of your ports to Dubai.  Come on brother.  There is nothing "Nationalistic" nor Conservative about Bush.  When the Bush's go golfing and schmooze with the Clinton's something is to be indicating that it is a total sham.  Diet coke vs. diet pepsi. 

Brother, you must take a step back and look at him and what his administration has done and fails to do.  Your country is virtually bankrupt the only question looking at the level of corruption and questionable dealings is to ask if any of this was planned? 

Heck Bush is almost as bad as Clinton yet a still a cry behind Carter. 

I don't bash Bush for the sake of bashing Bush but one must ask how he goes from total majority and could have done some really good things to move America back towards the Constitutional Nationalistic Right but instead lost this and now follows like a wounded duck to the continual drifting towards the Constitutional undermining Geo-Socialist Left. 

You take a Michael Medved look at things while I take a Michael Savage, Tovia Singer, Chaim ben Pesach or a Sha'i ben Tekoa look at things.

Sorry but Bush is a fraud and one of the worst Presidents in American history.  One really cannot blame it all on him, even though technically the buck stops with him, I place the blame soley on the CFR/Trilateral to be honest...
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2007, 01:22:01 AM »
Funny you should mention Michael Medved, because he has now surpassed Dennis Prager as my favorite talk show host.  I had to laugh the other day when a fellow Republican told me he does not like Medved because Medved is too liberal!  wow!  That guy must realllllly be far off to the right!  Ironically, the most dominant criticism that Medved gets from the left is that he is an apologist for the Republican party.  The guy can't win!  Or rather, he can, with sensible, highly intelligent thinkers like me.  ;D

I am going to refrain from saying why I think so highly of President Bush, because I get the feeling that you are not really open to the possibility of changing your mind about him.  You would just use whatever good I have to say about him, turning it upside down to make him seem more evil than adolf shitler himself.  This is what liberals do, too.  So what seems to be happening here, is that some people are so far to the right, that they not only think President Bush is too liberal, but actually join in the I Blame Bush For Everything crowd that is so prevalent among leftists.

This also reminds me of how Pat Buchanan has actually shown a lot of approval for Cindy Sheehan. 

Politics sure makes strange bedfellows.

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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2007, 03:38:12 AM »
The hard Comunism is dead exept for NK and Kuba reservations; but soft comunism the cultural marxism is alive, well and ruling over academia and medias in the whole west exept maybe Russia which became Fascist state under Putin; that's why the uni graduates are most brainwashed PC pro Bulestinians stooges; About Amerika its decline was started with estblisments of federal reserves bank and income tax, before WWI; NWO in politicks and New Age in culture are link by secret societies and ocultist groups; when NWO took politicall power in first half of XX century, after WWII they unleashed New Age to dump and demoralize the people down; so they will exept NEW WORLD ORDER meekly as a sheeps. 
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2007, 08:55:45 AM »
Funny you should mention Michael Medved, because he has now surpassed Dennis Prager as my favorite talk show host.  Why Deadhead is terrible.  He would be VERY good if he was independant and not a stooge for Ghorge Bush and the Replocrats.  I had to laugh the other day when a fellow Republican told me he does not like Medved because Medved is too liberal!  wow!  That guy must realllllly be far off to the right! Not really, with the amount of corruption and political debasement and Medved's pure stooging, it is an easy conclusion.  The fact of the matter is that what is "Conservative" today is yesterday's Liberal and what is today's liberal is yesterday's Socialist/Communist to be fair.  I am very well read on this stuff and the more I read the more I am lead to aspects of political corruption and a history of whoring to the Socialist left. I read both sides and research both to see which is more factually correct and not built on politically correct/guided agenda.   Ironically, the most dominant criticism that Medved gets from the left is that he is an apologist for the Republican party.  Now that is obvious and which is why most true Conservatives have abandoned him and have moved to Michael Savage or continued with Sean Hannity...he's ok but not great in my opinion.The guy can't win!  Or rather, he can, with sensible, highly intelligent thinkers like me.  ;DHe is very intelligent but his political pandering and apologist for Ghorge Bush and the Replocrats is horrible.

I am going to refrain from saying why I think so highly of President Bush, because I get the feeling that you are not really open to the possibility of changing your mind about him. I was open, very much so. I was an activist to get him elected due to him playing to the Right Wing of the Conservatives and acting like a real conservative and now in the second term, or before, he did a total turn about and is another Liberal/Globalist corrupt elitist like the rest since Woodrow Wilson. You would just use whatever good I have to say about him, turning it upside down to make him seem more evil than adolf shitler himself. Dude, I am an independant thinker and an independant conservative.  Bush has done VERY little to be proud of.  I think it is you that has to take a step back from this idol worship and look at the deeds and the deeds of those surrounding him.  He was elected solely due to his Right Wing beliefs which appealed to the grass roots Republicans and the independant.  Since being elected he has driven America down the toilet. This is what liberals do, too.  Brother, it is not alway, Liberal vs. Conservative or "Right Wing" vs. "Left Wing" or Dems vs. Repubs but simply US vs. Them to put it in the turms used by Antony Sutton.So what seems to be happening here, is that some people are so far to the right, that they not only think President Bush is too liberal, but actually join in the I Blame Bush For Everything crowd that is so prevalent among leftists.Brother, the fact of the matter is that you are blinded.  Bush is a leftist/globalist/elitist.  I have supplied you with many examples but you have been listening to too much Medved.  I am independant.  I don't go with any party but an ideology: Conservatism which Bush is not.

This also reminds me of how Pat Buchanan has actually shown a lot of approval for Cindy Sheehan. 

Politics sure makes strange bedfellows.  Yes but sometimes this position is not "strange bedfellows" but political prostitution and pure corruption behind the scenes.  Especially when one sees Bush playing golf with Clinton or further that with Jimmy Carter.  I think, in all honesty, you do have a lot of knowlege but I feel, personally, that you must take a step back and review all the information and with a moral compass make your decisions independant of any bias, be it from the spokesman of any party.  Just because one is a "Republican" doesn't mean that they are right.  Hell, Ward Churchill is a registered Republican...  You are very smart, I can see that.  Perhaps if you also listen to what Chaim or Savage have to say about things you will see another aspect to the Repubs and Bush that you are not getting from Medved etc. 
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« Reply #46 on: September 17, 2007, 12:04:11 PM »
Why has so much of what I have written been so distorted, like changing Medved to Deadhead?  Apparently, we have censors working here who cannot stand to have anybody have views different from their own.

I feel like I am in Cuba/North Korea, not America.

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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2007, 12:16:26 PM »
Why has so much of what I have written been so distorted, like changing Medved to Deadhead?  Apparently, we have censors working here who cannot stand to have anybody have views different from their own.

I feel like I am in Cuba/North Korea, not America.

In Cuba/North Korea you woud be shot not merely censored; I grown up in Communist country so I kmow the difference.
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2007, 12:23:54 PM »
That is not my point.  My original words were distorted to fit the censor's agenda in here.  Such are the practices of tyranical dictatorships, not freedom loving America.

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« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2007, 12:34:06 PM »
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That is not my point.  My original words were distorted to fit the censor's agenda in here.  Such are the practices of tyranical dictatorships, not freedom loving America.
I don't see where your words were changed or censored.  Unless I'm missing something, "Deadhead" was use by MarZutra in his response.  You may not like it if he chooses to use Deadhead instead of Medved, but your words were not censored.
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