jtf forum working on the Sabbath?

[Rivera]

I was wondering. this is a Jewish site. why is it working on the Sabbath? It should be close down from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

[Dexter]

I was wondering. this is a Jewish site. why is it working on the Sabbath? It should be close down from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

the english site isn't only Jewish.
But the hebrew forum is closed :
http://jtf.org/forum_hebrew/index.php

[mord]

Not eveyone is Jewish it's about 40%Jewish 60%none Jewish

[Rivera]

I was wondering. this is a Jewish site. why is it working on the Sabbath? It should be close down from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

the english site isn't only Jewish.
But the hebrew forum is closed :
http://jtf.org/forum_hebrew/index.php

Nice poam, by the way 

I am a little concern. How many Jewish members are on this site right now and not keeping the sabbath?

[Dexter]

I was wondering. this is a Jewish site. why is it working on the Sabbath? It should be close down from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

the english site isn't only Jewish.
But the hebrew forum is closed :
http://jtf.org/forum_hebrew/index.php

I am a little concern. How many Jewish members are on this site right now and not keeping the sabbath?

Few .

[Bodhi]

  I wonder...It doesn't seem to me that posting on the intenet is in violation of the Sabbath....anyone??

  I suppose it depends on how you interpret things but I'm asking...anyone with an view please reply...I had never thought of an iternet forum as being a violation....however, it never occured to me before this.......

[Dr. Dan]

In my opinion, it depends on the Jew...it depends on where he/she wants to build his fence. It also depends on what that person's Rebbi will say.

Does it go against the Torah rule of sabbath? Probably not, but then again, i'm not a rabbinical authority.

However, if one must build a "fence" to not be tempted to do business on Shabbat, then I would presume that going on the internet is not the right thing to do on Shabbat.

[Ehud]

I don't know if it violates the Sabbath, but I do worse things to violate the Sabbath than go online, such as doing course readings, assignments, and other study work.  If you're Orthodox then I would say it almost assuredly violates the Sabbath. 

[Rivera]

  I wonder...It doesn't seem to me that posting on the intenet is in violation of the Sabbath....anyone??

  I suppose it depends on how you interpret things but I'm asking...anyone with an view please reply...I had never thought of an iternet forum as being a violation....however, it never occured to me before this.......

It is a violation of the Sabbath. Even if a Jewish person is not religious Hashem See's it as a violation because Hashem See's all the Jewish people as one. when you as a Jewish person commites a sin all of the Jewish people suffer for it.

[Dr. Dan]

  I wonder...It doesn't seem to me that posting on the intenet is in violation of the Sabbath....anyone??

  I suppose it depends on how you interpret things but I'm asking...anyone with an view please reply...I had never thought of an iternet forum as being a violation....however, it never occured to me before this.......

It is a violation of the Sabbath. Even if a Jewish person is not religious Hashem See's it as a violation because Hashem See's all the Jewish people as one. when you as a Jewish person commites a sin all of the Jewish people suffer for it.

and which religion is this you are following?

[Rivera]

  I wonder...It doesn't seem to me that posting on the intenet is in violation of the Sabbath....anyone??

  I suppose it depends on how you interpret things but I'm asking...anyone with an view please reply...I had never thought of an iternet forum as being a violation....however, it never occured to me before this.......

It is a violation of the Sabbath. Even if a Jewish person is not religious Hashem See's it as a violation because Hashem See's all the Jewish people as one. when you as a Jewish person commites a sin all of the Jewish people suffer for it.

and which religion is this you are following?

I am  Noahide. And I know for a fact that G-D See's the Jewish people as one as [HE] is one.

[Mishmaat]

I was wondering. this is a Jewish site. why is it working on the Sabbath? It should be close down from Friday evening to Saturday evening.

Great question. Someone already answered it for you. The majority of our posters are Gentiles. The forum remains open for them.

The use of a computer is forbidden on the Sabbath.

Google "39 Melachot."

The prohibition of the melachah of burning or igniting a fire covers the use of electricity. The prohibition of the melachah of writing covers typing.

[JewishTeddyBear]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

[Rivera]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

[Dr. Dan]

  I wonder...It doesn't seem to me that posting on the intenet is in violation of the Sabbath....anyone??

  I suppose it depends on how you interpret things but I'm asking...anyone with an view please reply...I had never thought of an iternet forum as being a violation....however, it never occured to me before this.......

It is a violation of the Sabbath. Even if a Jewish person is not religious Hashem See's it as a violation because Hashem See's all the Jewish people as one. when you as a Jewish person commites a sin all of the Jewish people suffer for it.

and which religion is this you are following?

I am  Noahide. And I know for a fact that G-D See's the Jewish people as one as [HE] is one.

Are you a Torah scholar too that you can say such things?

[Dr. Dan]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

AMEN!!! So wise!

[Dr. Dan]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

going on a forum on Shabb-t isnt saving a life. Its bad enough that people sin, but to sin and cause others to sin (partly by showing that breaking Shabb-t isnt much for you) is just disgusting (not directed for any individual but a public writing to all). Even though their are many gentile posters, I belive that JTF forum should close down on Shabb-t and Jewish holidays.

[Ehud]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

I think Rivera is right strictly speaking.  I'm not sure about the entire Jewish people suffering for the failure to follow the laws by a fellow Jew though.  Going online on shabbat definitely isn't saving any lives, so I think he is correct when he says that there is no excuse not to keep the Sabbath in this situation.

[Ehud]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

going on a forum on Shabb-t isnt saving a life. Its bad enough that people sin, but to sin and cause others to sin (partly by showing that breaking Shabb-t isnt much for you) is just disgusting (not directed for any individual but a public writing to all). Even though their are many gentile posters, I belive that JTF forum should close down on Shabb-t and Jewish holidays.

So are you saying that a person who doesn't follow shabbat cannot even say that they don't follow shabbat?  Or are you saying that they should not do so in a defiant and arrogant way?

[Rivera]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

going on a forum on Shabb-t isnt saving a life. Its bad enough that people sin, but to sin and cause others to sin (partly by showing that breaking Shabb-t isnt much for you) is just disgusting (not directed for any individual but a public writing to all). Even though their are many gentile posters, I belive that JTF forum should close down on Shabb-t and Jewish holidays.

yes my friend, even though most of the people on this fourm are gentile we the  gentile look to the Jewish people as examples. You are to be a light unto the nations.

[Mishmaat]

To save a life is really THE ONLY time one is obligated to violate the Sabbath. As far as the forum being closed for holidays, that's a fine idea in and of itself, but the majority of our posters are NOT Jewish. We have a shabbos goy who can run things Tzvi.

[Dr. Dan]

Of course going online during the Sabbath is a clear violation for Jews.  Gentiles are not required to keep the sabbath.

On the other hand, as King Solomon said so many thousands of years ago, "There is no man (or woman) so righteous that he (or she) never sins."  To quote JESUS here even though I reject him as anything other than a philosopher, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

While a Jew is required to keep the Sabbath, I do think that how we treat each other is far more important.  G-d Himself has no needs, and cannot truly get hurt no matter how we treat Him, but our fellow human being is infinitely more vulnerable and can get hurt quite easily.  Better to be around a kind person whose theological beliefs may be questionable, than around a very strong believer in G-d who acts like a jerk. 

There is no excuse for a Jewish person not to Keep the Sabbath. G-D said in the Torah that his commandments is not hard. As for a kind person whose theologial beliefs are questionable, he will tell you what you want to hear and keep youin darkness!

You're wrong...there are plenty of reasons for a Jew to not keep Shabbat...for one thing, to SAVE A LIFE!!!! I advise you, Rivera, to take some talmudic and Torah classes before you continue bible thumping us.

going on a forum on Shabb-t isnt saving a life. Its bad enough that people sin, but to sin and cause others to sin (partly by showing that breaking Shabb-t isnt much for you) is just disgusting (not directed for any individual but a public writing to all). Even though their are many gentile posters, I belive that JTF forum should close down on Shabb-t and Jewish holidays.

I'm personally not Shomer Shabbat and respect those who are.  If Chaim recommends that the forum be shut down on those days, I would personally support it.

and yes, going on a forum on shabbat isn't saving a life. True.

But you can't make a Jew follow Shabbat the way you see fit as correct...Forcing Judaism down someone's throat is a really bad move...I recommend, from one Jew to another, don't do it...you're gonna get a secular uphieval and further divide the jewish people (unfortunately).

[Rivera]

To save a life is really THE ONLY time one is obligated to violate the Sabbath. As far as the forum being closed for holidays, that's a fine idea in and of itself, but the majority of our posters are NOT Jewish. We have a shabbos goy who can run things Tzvi.

But the owners of this fourm are Jewish so for that reason alone you should close it down for the sabbath. also the Jewish members who are using this site on the Sabbath well be protected by you if the site is closed.

[decimos]

Noahides are not permitted to observe the Sabbath,the forum should remain open to Noahides,as many of us can still do great good for the Movement if the Forum is still "up",as long as there is a Gentile Mod to over see things, whilst observent jews obey the mitzvah i cant see that as a problem.

P.S would defer this to LUBAB,just to be sure.