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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442059/dont-blame-clinton-trump-2016-wouldve-beaten-obama-2012
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The math might seem impossible. After all, Obama won nearly 66 million votes in 2012; Trump is currently at 59.5 million and should finish around 60 million, which will actually be one million fewer votes than Mitt Romney won. How, then, could Trump have topped Obama in the electoral college? The answer: Republican turnout lagged in certain parts of the country but shot through the roof in the nation’s most critical battleground states. Let’s look at them individually, in descending order by population, and do the electoral-vote math. The 2016 totals aren’t yet final because not all precincts have reported. FLORIDA — 29 EVs — 98 percent reporting Obama 2012: 4,235,270 Clinton 2016: 4,485,745   Romney 2012: 4,162,081 Trump 2016: 4,605,515 Conclusion: Trump beats Obama by some 370,000 votes and wins Florida. (Note: Clinton herself won 250,000 more votes in Florida than Obama did in 2012.)   PENNSYLVANIA — 20 EVs — 99 percent reporting Obama 2012: 2,907,448 Clinton 2016: 2,844,705   Romney 2012: 2,619,583 Trump 2016: 2,912,941   Conclusion: Trump squeezes past Obama by a margin of some 5,000 votes and wins Pennsylvania. (Note: Clinton runs about 60,000 votes behind Obama, but would’ve had more than enough to defeat Romney in 2012.)   OHIO — 18 EVs – 94 percent reporting Obama 2012: 2,697,260 Clinton 2016: 2,317,001   Romney 2012: 2,593,779 Trump 2016: 2,771,984   Conclusion: Trump edges Obama by roughly 75,000 votes and wins Ohio. (Note: Clinton’s worst battleground state showing was Ohio, winning 380,000 [!] fewer votes than Obama.)   Stop right there and crunch the numbers: Florida (29) + Pennsylvania (20) + Ohio (18) = 67 EVs. Romney finished with 206 EVs. By protecting all of those, and then taking 67 from Obama, Trump would hit 273 and win the presidency.  The question: Did Trump 2016 defeat Obama 2012 in all of the states Romney won? Yes. Here’s a look at the competitive ones: – NORTH CAROLINA (98 percent reporting): Trump 2,339,603 … Obama 2,178,388 – ARIZONA (73 percent reporting): Trump 947,284 … Obama 930,669 – GEORGIA (93 percent reporting): Trump 2,068,623 … Obama 1,761,761 – UTAH (78 percent reporting): Trump 360,634 … Obama 229,463 A review of the Romney 2012 states confirms that Trump, in this hypothetical matchup, would have carried every single one against Obama. It doesn’t matter that Obama would have trounced Trump by nearly 300,000 votes in Michigan; by more than 200,000 in Wisconsin; by 175,000 in Virginia; and by 160,000 in Colorado. It’s similarly meaningless that Obama would have narrowly defeated Trump in Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. The 44th president carried all of those states in 2012, and in this hypothetical contest, he would successfully defend all of them. But it wouldn’t be enough. The electoral college would produce a razor-thin margin: Trump 273, Obama 265. Again, this is an apples-to-oranges exercise. It’s impossible to know how the Obama campaign might have targeted certain voters in a contest against Trump, or whether Trump would have the same success in the three big battleground states against a more formidable opponent. But that’s not the point here; the point is that it’s not entirely fair to blame Clinton for depressing Democratic turnout when she ran even with him in five of the country’s most competitive states and ahead of him in a sixth, Florida, the single biggest swing state — and still lost the electoral college.
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Re: Based on the Electoral College System Trump 2016 beats Obama 2012
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 01:30:05 AM »
I don't know yet if Trump is going to turn out better or worse than Obama because he keeps changing his opinion based on what's currently convenient and I have no idea what he will find to be convenient.
But if in theory if for whatever reason Trump turns out to be better than Obama I would not feel "one ounce of regret" even if he lost the popular vote by 6 million votes (as the article I quoted claimed would be the result in a contest between Obama 2012 vs. Trump 2016) but based on the Electoral College system would win.
Rabbi Kahane clearly taught that the victory of Biblical values and principles are more important than Democracy!!

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Re: Based on the Electoral College System Trump 2016 beats Obama 2012
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 02:20:52 AM »
In this week's Torah portion, Rashi asks why did Yaakov {Jacob} buy Eisav's birthright for some red lentils?
Because he knew if he didn't use this trick the Temple service would fall into the hands of the evil Eisav and if using tricks prevents the evil Eisav access to the Temple service, it is worthwhile using tricks.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8220/jewish/Chapter-25.htm#showrashi=true
Brsishit/Genesis 25:30 And Esau {Eisav} said to Jacob {Yaakov}, "Pour into [me] some of this red, red [pottage], for I am faint"; he was therefore named Edom.
Rashi:Pour into [me]: I will open my mouth, and [you] pour very much into it, as we learned (Shab. 155b):“We may not stuff a camel, etc. [on the Sabbath] but we may put food into its mouth (מַלְעִטִין) .” - [From Gen. Rabbah 63:12]
    
some of this red, red [pottage]: red lentils. And on that day, Abraham died, lest he see Esau, his grandson, falling into bad ways, for that would not be the “good old age” that the Holy One, blessed be He, had promised him. Therefore, the Holy One, blessed be He, shortened his life by five years, for Isaac lived one hundred and eighty years, and this one (Abraham) [lived] one hundred and seventy-five years, and Jacob cooked lentils to feed the mourner (Isaac). But why lentils? Because they are [round as] a wheel, for mourning is like a wheel revolving in the world. (Also, just as lentils have no mouth [no crack], as other beans have, so does the mourner have no mouth, for he is prohibited from speaking. It is therefore the custom to feed the mourner eggs at the beginning of his meal, since they are round, and have no mouth. So too does a mourner have no mouth, as is discussed in Mo’ed Katan (21b): “A mourner, for the entire first three days, may not respond to anyone’s greeting, and may surely not initiate a greeting. From the third day to the seventh, he may respond, but may not greet, etc.” [This is found] in an old [edition of] Rashi.)- [From Gen. Rabbah 63:12, B.B. 16b]

25:31 And Jacob said, "Sell me as of this day your birthright."
Rashi:
Sell me as of this day: As the Targum renders: כְּיוֹם דִילְהֵן, “like this day” ; just as this day is clear, so sell it to me with a clear sale.
 
your birthright: Since the [sacrificial] service was performed by the firstborn, Jacob said, “This wicked man does not deserve to sacrifice to the Holy One, blessed be He.” - [From Gen. Rabbah 63:13]
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In theory if the Electoral College System and I stress if, is the modern trick to beat the wicked Eisav, I am for it.

However, as I said before, I have no idea what type of President, Trump will be, I am talking just about the theory, if he would be better.