Should JTF's Forum be locked on Shabbat and Yomim Tovim?

[Dexter]

It doesn't metter, it is helping to do an avera acorrding to Tzvi, therefor it should be removed .

And I don't think it should be removed as the forum shouldn't be closed at Shabbat .
Anyway at the next Shabbat, no Jew will be here, because it's Yom Kippur, that's big deal .

[ftf]

From my understanding of the Jewish Sabbath, the idea is that it is a day of rest, surely having to do extra work so as to force others to rest defeats the entire point, if someone is a true Jew, surely they will want to keep the Sabbath properly without having to have someone checking up on them by disabling the forum etc.

I say this as an outsider looking in on the Jewish faith, I understand that I don't know much about it, but this appears to be the simple facts of the situation to me.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

no Jew will be here, because it's Yom Kippur, that's big deal .

Shabb-h is just as important as Yom Kippur (actually not 100% sure which is more or less, but these are 2 giants- its hard to see when your in the bottom which building is higher (i mean in an analogy)- the difference is that Shabb-h is much more frequent then Yom Kippur so psychologically one might think that it is less important.

[Dexter]

no Jew will be here, because it's Yom Kippur, that's big deal .

Shabb-h is just as important as Yom Kippur (actually not 100% sure which is more or less, but these are 2 giants- its hard to see when your in the bottom which building is higher (i mean in an analogy)- the difference is that Shabb-h is much more frequent then Yom Kippur so psychologically one might think that it is less important.

OK.
BTW, why you don't write Shabbat but Shabba-t ?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

no Jew will be here, because it's Yom Kippur, that's big deal .

Shabb-h is just as important as Yom Kippur (actually not 100% sure which is more or less, but these are 2 giants- its hard to see when your in the bottom which building is higher (i mean in an analogy)- the difference is that Shabb-h is much more frequent then Yom Kippur so psychologically one might think that it is less important.

OK.
BTW, why you don't write Shabbat but Shabba-t ?

I write this before-

on the topic of Shabbat someone ( Yakov) asked my about Shabbat and why I write a dash, I also remember saying that Shabbah is a Holy name, I forgot where I have learned it, but now I have came across it.- http://www.israel613.com/

SHABBAT IS THE NAME OF THE HOLY ONE BLESSED BE HE
23) "Shabbat is the Name of the Holy One, Blessed be He, as is explained in the holy Zohar, Shemoth 88. It is, therefore, prohibited to pronounce 'it' where we may not utter holy words of Torah, I know some very pious people who exercise caution not to mention the word Shabbat unnecessarily" (B'nei Yissochor, 1:1). 26) "It is stated in the book Ruach Chaim (by Rabbi Chaim Palaggi o.b.m.) ch. 84, that, according to Chesed L'Avraham, who maintains that, according to the Zohar, Shabbat may not be mentioned in an unclean place, one should rather say, "Shabbah" instead of "Shabbat". Without a vow, I will take care to say, "Shabbah" instead of "Shabbat" (Sedey Chemed). 

 Its allowed but I personally do it differently here so I wont come to do it in other places.

[newman]

Give us poor goyim a break. We need our JTF 7 days.

[Sarah]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabb-t starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabb-t in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

[Sarah]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabbat starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabbat in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

Ok, thats fine.

[Dexter]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabbat starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabbat in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

OK, from now on I wil not post here when the Shabbat in Israel is starting until it overs .

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabbat starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabbat in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

OK, from now on I wil not post here when the Shabbat in Israel is starting until it overs .

Great start.  . By the way did you see the video "divine Information" from Divineinformation.com ? - remember I linked it before and you said you will see it?- if you did what do you think? - also I dont know hebrew but can you please link the video on the Hebrew forum?

[Dexter]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabbat starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabbat in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

OK, from now on I wil not post here when the Shabbat in Israel is starting until it overs .

Great start.  . By the way did you see the video "divine Information" from Divineinformation.com ? - remember I linke dit before and you said you will see it?- if you did what do you think? - also I dont know hebrew but can you please link the video on the Hebrew forum?

Yes I saw 2 parts, I will see the rest soon .
i'm posting it right now .

[Dr. Dan]

Tzvi Ben Roshel -
If so, we also should close the site in Gentile's holidays, don't we ?

no, they dont have a prohibition like the Jews do.

OK, just answere my first post in this topic :
Everyone has the right to do what he wants to do, and if you'll lock the forum it dosn't mean that some people will stop violeting the Shabbat .

YOu know what, Dexter?  A Jew can own a car on Shabbat, but what prohibits him from driving anyway even though there is no public transportation allowed (in Israel)?

[Dexter]

Tzvi Ben Roshel -
If so, we also should close the site in Gentile's holidays, don't we ?

no, they dont have a prohibition like the Jews do.

OK, just answere my first post in this topic :
Everyone has the right to do what he wants to do, and if you'll lock the forum it dosn't mean that some people will stop violeting the Shabbat .

YOu know what, Dexter?  A Jew can own a car on Shabbat, but what prohibits him from driving anyway even though there is no public transportation allowed (in Israel)?

If he want to not violet the Shabbat, the power of will is unlimited .

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

the truth is- the more (reasonable) barriers the better + the message is urgently needed. Im really glad about the discussions for the last several days about this (except the part where some1 started acting childish), I hope it will be the catalyst for opening some people's minds and souls and wake them up to the truth. Also strenthen those who are allready observent and bring each Jew to a higher level then they are at currently.

[Dexter]

Its a great test for Jews, in trying to have self-control but if JTF lures fellow Jews to violate Shabbat then it is good for the forum to be closed. Though the timing would mean that any Jew in Israel or elsewhere in America may still be able to access the site during shabbat or not be able to after it.

the majority are from America- east coast, so closing some time before Shabbat starts will cover allmost everyone except a few exceptions (I can only think of dexter- I think he will show respect and not post when it is Shabbat in Israel and we specifically and selectivly tell him not to.)

OK, from now on I wil not post here when the Shabbat in Israel is starting until it overs .

Great start.  . By the way did you see the video "divine Information" from Divineinformation.com ? - remember I linked it before and you said you will see it?- if you did what do you think? - also I dont know hebrew but can you please link the video on the Hebrew forum?

I'v posted it :
http://jtf.org/forum_hebrew/index.php?topic=8696.msg62289#new

[Dr. Dan]

Tzvi Ben Roshel -
If so, we also should close the site in Gentile's holidays, don't we ?

no, they dont have a prohibition like the Jews do.

OK, just answere my first post in this topic :
Everyone has the right to do what he wants to do, and if you'll lock the forum it dosn't mean that some people will stop violeting the Shabbat .

YOu know what, Dexter?  A Jew can own a car on Shabbat, but what prohibits him from driving anyway even though there is no public transportation allowed (in Israel)?

If he want to not violet the Shabbat, the power of will is unlimited .

so bet it...i think the right thing to do is ask Chaim if it is ok to close the forum on shabbat and give the reasons why you think it should...

Certainly, I will support what Chaim says and I'm leaning on trying not to post on this forum on Shabbat more out of respect of this movement...but at least that's a start...

then again, i don't belong to any other forum..so no biggie to me.

[Dr. Dan]

the truth is- the more (reasonable) barriers the better + the message is urgently needed. Im really glad about the discussions for the last several days about this (except the part where some1 started acting childish), I hope it will be the catalyst for opening some people's minds and souls and wake them up to the truth. Also strenthen those who are allready observent and bring each Jew to a higher level then they are at currently.

nice

[OZ77]

Why do we lock the hebrew forum on shabbat and yamim tovim?

the answer is because the vast majority of our users are israeli jews,
and because they love the forum so much they would visit it and write on it on shabbat,
by keeping the forum open we encouraged those jews to break the keeping of shabbat.

BUT, on the English forum, it's a whole different ball game,
here, the GENTILES are the vast majority and so by locking
the forum on good days and shabbat, we basically deny entry to most of our members
who are not obligated to keep the shabbat like we do.

on the other hand, this IS a jewish based site, so...
I think we'll leave this decision to chaim - maybe jimmy can ask him for his take,
and give us his answer here on the forum...

[jdl4ever]

OZ is correct, it should be open so all the Gentiles can post. 

[newman]

Why is it even in question?

If Jews choose to keep shabbat it's their obligation not to violate it by posting. It shouldn't be up to somebody else to shut down the forum.

Like the obligation is to not turn lights on. The power company shouldn't have to turn the electricity off.

[EagleEye]

Isn't the definition of "working" up to interpretation...posting isn't necessarily working.

[newman]

Isn't the definition of "working" up to interpretation...posting isn't necessarily working.

It's still kindling a fire under Talmudic law because typing on a computer keyboard results in electrical impulses etc.

[Ultra Requete]

Isn't the definition of "working" up to interpretation...posting isn't necessarily working.

It's still kindling a fire under Talmudic law because typing on a computer keyboard results in electrical impulses etc.

It's still the problem that mayority of posters here are not Jews mainly chrisatians; Who are not obliged by Torah to keep Sabaths so rigorusly so the forum shoud be closed on sunday fo. ex. too?; Do ypu propose to  turn off the light off on Shabat in entire NYC? There shoud be a Big warning that sabath started to All Jews and that's grave sin to break it; but they shoud keep the micwa  without external pressure or coersion. But in the end the Chaim will decide; I'm member of other fora and can use the break.

[Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer]

No. JTF is mostly made up of righteous gentiles. So, it wouldn't be fair to single them out.