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Brushing one's teeth during Yom Kippur
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
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--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 20, 2007, 09:47:30 PM --- the question would be if a person is allowed to rinse his mouth out just with water, while of course spitting it out without swallowing? Just a little water to swirl around in his mouth in the morning to clean out his mouth. The question today, asks if that is permissible. Maran clearly writes in Seman 567 that this is certainly forbidden on the fast days of Yom Kippur and Tisha BeAv. And therefore the Halacha, when one wakes in the morning, or during the course of the day, it is forbidden to rinse his mouth with water even if he has his head down and even if it’s a little water, and even if he’s careful to spit it all out.
http://dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=386
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What is the Torah law say exactly? I want to compare these words with the Torah law.
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Thats Maran- the Shulhan Aruh- The Code Of Jewish Law. This is the Torah Law.
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what is written in shemot and devarim?
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The law doesnt go according to the literal translation- you probably cant learn 1 law just with the written Torah. I wont say (Because I dont know) that brushing your teath is on the same level as eating food on Yom Kippur, but why would you want to risk it?
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 20, 2007, 10:01:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: dannycookie57 on September 20, 2007, 09:58:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 20, 2007, 09:54:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: dannycookie57 on September 20, 2007, 09:49:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 20, 2007, 09:47:30 PM --- the question would be if a person is allowed to rinse his mouth out just with water, while of course spitting it out without swallowing? Just a little water to swirl around in his mouth in the morning to clean out his mouth. The question today, asks if that is permissible. Maran clearly writes in Seman 567 that this is certainly forbidden on the fast days of Yom Kippur and Tisha BeAv. And therefore the Halacha, when one wakes in the morning, or during the course of the day, it is forbidden to rinse his mouth with water even if he has his head down and even if it’s a little water, and even if he’s careful to spit it all out.
http://dailyhalacha.com/displayRead.asp?readID=386
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What is the Torah law say exactly? I want to compare these words with the Torah law.
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Thats Maran- the Shulhan Aruh- The Code Of Jewish Law. This is the Torah Law.
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what is written in shemot and devarim?
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The law doesnt go according to the literal translation- you probably cant learn 1 law just with the written Torah. I wont say (Because I dont know) that brushing your teath is on the same level as eating food on Yom Kippur, but why would you want to risk it?
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listen, it's a fence...and some people do not need to brush their teeth...I'm personally not going to encourage someone to do it. However I will tell them if they ask if it is ok that i don't know if it is ok, but this is what i do because etc...it's best that you ask your rabbi what you should do...not me.
jdl4ever:
Read my above post Dannycookie and Tzvi. To my knowledge, this is not a fence but is the advice of the Rabbis. As long as dannycookie doesn't eat drink take a bath, wear leather or put fragrance on he is fine.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on September 20, 2007, 09:51:16 PM ---He means that according to the letter of the law as long as you are not swallowing the water it is fine. But if you want to be stringent and follow the advice of the Sages, then don't do it.
Dannycookie and Tzvi, let me explain something that the Charedim and most Jews mix up all all the time and this causes Charedim to drive away their fellow Jews by saying things are Rabbinically mandated when they are not and it is a grave sin to veer to the left or right of the Torah. In the Shulchan Aruch and in Halacha there are four categories where things fall and you must try to figure out before you say something what category it falls in to in order to not drive away people that are on a lower level then you are. For example, telling our friend Dannycookie something implying that you will go to hell for rinsing your mouth with water on Yom Kippur because it is a Rabbinic commandment is wrong since he will logically say this is going to an extreme and it is going to an extreme since it is not true. THIS IS NOT A RABBINIC COMMANDMENT so before you write anything, say that this is what some Rabbis say one should not do, but according to the letter of the law there is nothing wrong with it since it doesn't violate Rabbinic or Torah law.
THE FOUR CATEGORIES ARE:
1. Some stuff are prohibited biblically and fall into the category of the 613 commandments.
2. Some stuff are Rabbinically prohibited and you can find all the Rabbinical decrees ever made in the Talmud. <HERE IS THE PROBLEM, many religious jews like Tzvi think that everything said as "forbidden" in the commentaries belong here and it is NOT TRUE. This only serves to distort your view of the Torah and drive away Jews from Judaism.
3. A lot of stuff said are based on things neither biblically or Rabbinically prohibited, but on the commentator's opinion of what a righteous G-d fearing person should and should not do. According to the letter of the Law, if you don't follow the things under this category you are practicing Orthodox Judaism acceptably and will not be punished for it. However, there is an exception depending on your holyness level where you can be punished for not doing things in this category as Moses was punished for not sanctifying G-d's name enough, but he didn't violate any Rabbinic or Biblical law. Things in this category should NEVER be emphasized and pushed onto not practicing Orthodox Jews since they are not on the level to practice them and it is overwhelming for them. Simply tell them what is Rabbinically and Biblically prohibited and list this as a side note.
4. A lot of stuff said in the Halacha is based on custom. Jewish custom must be followed since following your tradition is the basis of Judaism and the Rabbis have the saying "Custom is Torah".
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I completely missed the last two paragraphs..thanks...
I'll add to point #4. Custom is what sets us apart from other nations...we should not be like other nations.
New Yorker:
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--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on September 20, 2007, 07:18:38 PM ---You're not even supposed to put inedible stuff into your mouth to wet it.
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And people wonder why I'm secular. ::)
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Have you tried doing it?
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Tried doing what? :)
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