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Horror literature
« on: November 26, 2018, 05:09:08 PM »
I love to read frightening tales. Do you? Who are your favorite writers?

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2018, 05:59:40 PM »
I haven't read any fiction in quite a while and I don't think I've read horror tales. I prefer fantasy classics.

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2018, 06:20:57 PM »
I love horror because fear is the strongest emotion of mankind. Religion and fear are closely related. Fantasy and horror are also related. My favorite writers are Irving, Poe, Lovecraft and Matoš.     
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2018, 03:42:21 AM »
I might have read Edgar Allan Poe in the past but just short stories. Also I have read Still Life with Crows by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child which could be horror novel at least partially. But anyhow, my genre is crime fiction so I read mostly crime novels.

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2018, 05:03:21 AM »
I might have read Edgar Allan Poe in the past but just short stories. Also I have read Still Life with Crows by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child which could be horror novel at least partially. But anyhow, my genre is crime fiction so I read mostly crime novels.

They say that Poe invented the detective story. Detective stories are part of crime fiction. I think that Poe's "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" might interest you.

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2018, 05:41:59 AM »
They say that Poe invented the detective story. Detective stories are part of crime fiction. I think that Poe's "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" might interest you.
Yes now I remember, I have read "The Murders in the Rue Morgue". It is quite a good story. Wikpedia article says:  "It has been recognized as the first modern detective story". I tend to quickly forget what I have read. It is just instant fun for me.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2018, 06:39:37 AM »
Yes now I remember, I have read "The Murders in the Rue Morgue". It is quite a good story. Wikpedia article says:  "It has been recognized as the first modern detective story". I tend to quickly forget what I have read. It is just instant fun for me.

I love that story and the Nox Arcana adaptation: https://youtu.be/tugdQ4bIfL0
Of course Torah is our priority. It is easy to forget what is secondary. Don't tell Michael, but sometimes I scare the hell out of my learners with horror tales. 
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2018, 06:52:14 AM »
I love that story and the Nox Arcana adaptation: https://youtu.be/tugdQ4bIfL0
Of course Torah is our priority. It is easy to forget what is secondary. Don't tell Michael, but sometimes I scare the hell out of my learners with horror tales. 
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 03:32:50 AM »
Pfft i just laugh at whatever people say is the scariest horror movie now. Even the one with the sleep paralysis one where I know its true because I killed that night zombie ghost hag thing at 11, the efficient reactions I found are crazy laugh and blood rage, either one of them my head can't trick me. Fear is always the inefficient and life-threatening reaction, and Torah bans it everywhere I can find. Angels always say stop it. Never to my knowledge is Hashem like hey guys, great plan, get super spooked before your stuff today kay?

As for books, I've never considered one scary. Suspense doesn't do much for me, psychological thrillers are like articles that turn out to be adds, slashers are torture porn, and for the good ones there is nothing I can conjure in my mind that actually scares me, and that's a dark place when I make it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 07:25:16 AM »
Pfft i just laugh at whatever people say is the scariest horror movie now. Even the one with the sleep paralysis one where I know its true because I killed that night zombie ghost hag thing at 11, the efficient reactions I found are crazy laugh and blood rage, either one of them my head can't trick me. Fear is always the inefficient and life-threatening reaction, and Torah bans it everywhere I can find. Angels always say stop it. Never to my knowledge is Hashem like hey guys, great plan, get super spooked before your stuff today kay?

As for books, I've never considered one scary. Suspense doesn't do much for me, psychological thrillers are like articles that turn out to be adds, slashers are torture porn, and for the good ones there is nothing I can conjure in my mind that actually scares me, and that's a dark place when I make it.

This movie frightened me: https://youtu.be/6LiKKFZyhRU

Gentiles are commanded to fear HaShem. But a Gentile's capacity to fear is not required to be reserved for HaShem alone.

All men fear death. Countless horror tales focus on the fear of death: "The Masque of the Red Death," "The Fall of the House of Usher," "The Pit and the Pendulum" and so on and so forth.   

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2018, 11:39:15 PM »
This movie frightened me: https://youtu.be/6LiKKFZyhRU

Gentiles are commanded to fear HaShem. But a Gentile's capacity to fear is not required to be reserved for HaShem alone.

All men fear death. Countless horror tales focus on the fear of death: "The Masque of the Red Death," "The Fall of the House of Usher," "The Pit and the Pendulum" and so on and so forth.   

It's not fear like G-d forbid "Hashem is coming, run"! Fear of Hashem is your first and a constant goal, to be master of your thoughts, speech and actions. I mean fear like eek run, or oh no big train coming to hit me better freeze.

People who fear death are less useful as soldiers. I just want a good one.
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2018, 11:48:14 PM »
It's not fear like G-d forbid "Hashem is coming, run"! Fear of Hashem is your first and a constant goal, to be master of your thoughts, speech and actions. I mean fear like eek run, or oh no big train coming to hit me better freeze.

People who fear death are less useful as soldiers. I just want a good one.

Bro, I survived my own death-bed. I felt the wrath of HaShem. He terrifies me.

I agree that some fears are unhealthy. I think that fear of death is healthy because it helps you stay alive.

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 09:56:36 AM »
I thought the movie silent hill was like 1% scary when i was 16, prob my fave horror.
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 04:48:58 PM »
I thought the movie silent hill was like 1% scary when i was 16, prob my fave horror.

The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. These facts few psychologists will dispute, and their admitted truth must establish for all time the genuineness and dignity of the weirdly horrible tale as a literary form. Against it are discharged all the shafts of a materialistic sophistication which clings to frequently felt emotions and external events, and of a naively insipid idealism which deprecates the aesthetic motive and calls for a didactic literature to uplift the reader toward a suitable degree of smirking optimism. But in spite of all this opposition the weird tale has survived, developed, and attained remarkable heights of perfection; founded as it is on a profound and elementary principle whose appeal, if not always universal, must necessarily be poignant and permanent to minds of the requisite sensitiveness.

The appeal of the spectrally macabre is generally narrow because it demands from the reader a certain degree of imagination and a capacity for detachment from every-day life. Relatively few are free enough from the spell of the daily routine to respond to rappings from outside, and tales of ordinary feelings and events, or of common sentimental distortions of such feelings and events, will always take first place in the taste of the majority; rightly, perhaps, since of course these ordinary matters make up the greater part of human experience. But the sensitive are always with us, and sometimes a curious streak of fancy invades an obscure corner of the very hardest head; so that no amount of rationalisation, reform, or Freudian analysis can quite annul the thrill of the chimney-corner whisper or the lonely wood. There is here involved a psychological pattern or tradition as real and as deeply grounded in mental experience as any other pattern or tradition of mankind; coeval with the religious feeling and closely related to many aspects of it, and too much a part of our inmost biological heritage to lose keen potency over a very important, though not numerically great, minority of our species.

Man’s first instincts and emotions formed his response to the environment in which he found himself. Definite feelings based on pleasure and pain grew up around the phenomena whose causes and effects he understood, whilst around those which he did not understand—and the universe teemed with them in the early days—were naturally woven such personifications, marvellous interpretations, and sensations of awe and fear as would be hit upon by a race having few and simple ideas and limited experience. The unknown, being likewise the unpredictable, became for our primitive forefathers a terrible and omnipotent source of boons and calamities visited upon mankind for cryptic and wholly extra-terrestrial reasons, and thus clearly belonging to spheres of existence whereof we know nothing and wherein we have no part. The phenomenon of dreaming likewise helped to build up the notion of an unreal or spiritual world; and in general, all the conditions of savage dawn-life so strongly conduced toward a feeling of the supernatural, that we need not wonder at the thoroughness with which man’s very hereditary essence has become saturated with religion and superstition. That saturation must, as a matter of plain scientific fact, be regarded as virtually permanent so far as the subconscious mind and inner instincts are concerned; for though the area of the unknown has been steadily contracting for thousands of years, an infinite reservoir of mystery still engulfs most of the outer cosmos, whilst a vast residuum of powerful inherited associations clings around all the objects and processes that were once mysterious, however well they may now be explained. And more than this, there is an actual physiological fixation of the old instincts in our nervous tissue, which would make them obscurely operative even were the conscious mind to be purged of all sources of wonder.

Because we remember pain and the menace of death more vividly than pleasure, and because our feelings toward the beneficent aspects of the unknown have from the first been captured and formalised by conventional religious rituals, it has fallen to the lot of the darker and more maleficent side of cosmic mystery to figure chiefly in our popular supernatural folklore. This tendency, too, is naturally enhanced by the fact that uncertainty and danger are always closely allied; thus making any kind of an unknown world a world of peril and evil possibilities. When to this sense of fear and evil the inevitable fascination of wonder and curiosity is superadded, there is born a composite body of keen emotion and imaginative provocation whose vitality must of necessity endure as long as the human race itself. Children will always be afraid of the dark, and men with minds sensitive to hereditary impulse will always tremble at the thought of the hidden and fathomless worlds of strange life which may pulsate in the gulfs beyond the stars, or press hideously upon our own globe in unholy dimensions which only the dead and the moonstruck can glimpse.

With this foundation, no one need wonder at the existence of a literature of cosmic fear. It has always existed, and always will exist; and no better evidence of its tenacious vigour can be cited than the impulse which now and then drives writers of totally opposite leanings to try their hands at it in isolated tales, as if to discharge from their minds certain phantasmal shapes which would otherwise haunt them.

This type of fear-literature must not be confounded with a type externally similar but psychologically widely different; the literature of mere physical fear and the mundanely gruesome. Such writing, to be sure, has its place, as has the conventional or even whimsical or humorous ghost story where formalism or the author’s knowing wink removes the true sense of the morbidly unnatural; but these things are not the literature of cosmic fear in its purest sense. The true weird tale has something more than secret murder, bloody bones, or a sheeted form clanking chains according to rule. A certain atmosphere of breathless and unexplainable dread of outer, unknown forces must be present; and there must be a hint, expressed with a seriousness and portentousness becoming its subject, of that most terrible conception of the human brain—a malign and particular suspension or defeat of those fixed laws of Nature which are our only safeguard against the assaults of chaos and the daemons of unplumbed space.

Naturally we cannot expect all weird tales to conform absolutely to any theoretical model. Creative minds are uneven, and the best of fabrics have their dull spots. Moreover, much of the choicest weird work is unconscious; appearing in memorable fragments scattered through material whose massed effect may be of a very different cast. Atmosphere is the all-important thing, for the final criterion of authenticity is not the dovetailing of a plot but the creation of a given sensation. We may say, as a general thing, that a weird story whose intent is to teach or produce a social effect, or one in which the horrors are finally explained away by natural means, is not a genuine tale of cosmic fear; but it remains a fact that such narratives often possess, in isolated sections, atmospheric touches which fulfil every condition of true supernatural horror-literature. Therefore we must judge a weird tale not by the author’s intent, or by the mere mechanics of the plot; but by the emotional level which it attains at its least mundane point. If the proper sensations are excited, such a “high spot” must be admitted on its own merits as weird literature, no matter how prosaically it is later dragged down. The one test of the really weird is simply this—whether or not there be excited in the reader a profound sense of dread, and of contact with unknown spheres and powers; a subtle attitude of awed listening, as if for the beating of black wings or the scratching of outside shapes and entities on the known universe’s utmost rim. And of course, the more completely and unifiedly a story conveys this atmosphere, the better it is as a work of art in the given medium.

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2019, 01:01:46 PM »
That's for an entertaining scare. They also describe the environment you need to create to produce scares adequately. However, they describe mostly what would scare an emotionally unsettled person. For the thick-skinned, the threat of death isn't going to cut it, we walk around like that and pfft. Then the threat is what? "secret murder, bloody bones, or a sheeted form clanking chains according to rule". C'mon, it's like you create that whole feeling of uncertainty, you see what it is and like oh just death, whatever.

There are so, so many things worse than death, that's what you gotta focus on to scare everyone.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2019, 02:08:37 PM »
That's for an entertaining scare. They also describe the environment you need to create to produce scares adequately. However, they describe mostly what would scare an emotionally unsettled person. For the thick-skinned, the threat of death isn't going to cut it, we walk around like that and pfft. Then the threat is what? "secret murder, bloody bones, or a sheeted form clanking chains according to rule". C'mon, it's like you create that whole feeling of uncertainty, you see what it is and like oh just death, whatever.

There are so, so many things worse than death, that's what you gotta focus on to scare everyone.

The fear of the unknown is closely related to the fear of the dark:

"But they couldn't make him go; hesitating on the doorstep while the nurse's feet crunched across the frost-covered grass to the gate, he knew that. He would answer: "You can say I'm ill. I won't go. I'm afraid of the dark." And his mother: "Don't be silly. You know there's nothing to be afraid of in the dark." But he knew the falsity of that reasoning; he knew how they taught also that there was nothing to fear in death, and how fearfully they avoided the idea of it."

http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/EndParty.html

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2019, 04:05:33 PM »
A real horror tale is anything written by Hillary Clinton. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2019, 06:03:45 PM »
A real horror tale is anything written by Hillary Clinton.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2019, 09:56:10 AM »
The fear of the unknown is closely related to the fear of the dark:

"But they couldn't make him go; hesitating on the doorstep while the nurse's feet crunched across the frost-covered grass to the gate, he knew that. He would answer: "You can say I'm ill. I won't go. I'm afraid of the dark." And his mother: "Don't be silly. You know there's nothing to be afraid of in the dark." But he knew the falsity of that reasoning; he knew how they taught also that there was nothing to fear in death, and how fearfully they avoided the idea of it."

http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/EndParty.html

HaShem is the only one more frightening than death. If you think there are so many things worse than death, do list them.

Chinese water torture with sugar water on your leg onto an open wound where giant centipedes crawl over you naked to get while someone skull humps your eye socket after they ripped your eye out while lying in a box with cornstarch and water mixed so it stays hard if you move and it's quicksand if you try to relax for a second.

One off the top of my head. Even just something simple like spike needle mouthguard, where every time you bite down sharp metal needles penetrate your gums and death from it because someone locked you in a room with the fanciest feast for a month, like I'll take a bullet to the stomach over that and a million other things.

I walk into dark alleys were there are certainly people waiting to kill me every couple weeks. I just get a little rush, and I like it anyways, I'm the scariest thing in the dark, and I always smell so much sweet fear.
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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2019, 01:43:43 AM »
I'm the scariest thing in the dark.

This made me laugh in a good way! Thanks!

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Re: Horror literature
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2019, 05:38:44 AM »
I've read the lord of the rings all the books or at least the most known of the series...does it count? the monsters are quite frightening in it! very terrifying...

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2019, 08:15:36 AM »
I've read the lord of the rings all the books or at least the most known of the series...does it count? the monsters are quite frightening in it! very terrifying...

They are! Especially the black riders and the dead faces in the water.   

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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2019, 01:12:14 PM »
I think we need to have a 'Noahid reads Horror' channel here.   ;D

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2019, 02:14:34 PM »
I've read the lord of the rings all the books or at least the most known of the series...does it count? the monsters are quite frightening in it! very terrifying...

Can there be a translation in today's English though? Like I had to keep my 18th century thesaurus too close for it to be an entertaining read.
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2019, 06:52:54 PM »
I think we need to have a 'Noahid reads Horror' channel here.   ;D

Great idea. I might fill in when Chaim's computer is down. JTF This Week: The only Noahide goth in the world reads horror and frightens muslims to death.