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Is Xtianity a tool?

Yes, and it will be destroyed when the time comes.
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No, it's just some goyish nonsense that evil people came up with.
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No. This is the choice for Xtians who believe in Xtianity to click on.
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Offline Binyamin Yisrael

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Is Xtianity a tool?
« on: January 08, 2019, 12:41:04 PM »
Do you think that G-d uses Xtianitiy as a tool to bring the World closer to the truth? In the end, it will be destroyed just like Egypt was punished after it enslaved the Jews. G-d used Egypt as a tool to enslave the Jews so the Jews could become a nation.


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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 01:14:13 PM »
Of course!

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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2019, 01:21:43 PM »
Do you think that G-d uses Xtianitiy as a tool to bring the World closer to the truth? Xtianity is an improvement for goyim over Greek and Roman mythology. At least they know about the Bible (What they call the Tanach). The Pre-Xtian pagans have no concept at all regarding G-d, The Bible, and The Jewish People.

I do not think that G-d uses chr*stianity as a tool to bring the world closer to the truth or that chr*stianity is an improvement for goyim over Greek and Roman mythology. As a former chr*stian and a former pagan I know both religions. I prefer paganism to chr*stianity. Paganism is life-affirming. It is not theologically antisemitic. I explained that chr*stians learn the new testament, not the Torah. 
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2019, 05:51:28 PM »
Really great way to unite the forum and movement, Yacov. ::)

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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2019, 12:12:06 AM »
Hashem is not in the habit of allowing things with no point to my knowledge. I agree with the Rambam that it is useful to inform people some sort of messiah will come, and the rest of the Rambam.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2019, 12:13:10 AM »
Yikes, this is not really in the spirit of the forum.

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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2019, 12:18:12 AM »
As for the content of the post, like them killing us isn't a problem any more. They convert ignorant Jews but so do muslims and athiests and budduhists. If you don't want them as a problem, teach and learn Torah and their most brilliant speech from their most brilliant speaker will be like Jacky Mason for you and your students.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2019, 12:30:32 AM »
Yikes, this is not really in the spirit of the forum.

It is in the spirit of the Torah.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2019, 12:34:43 AM »
It is in the spirit of the Torah.

Rav Kahane would go to events and interviews with only Xtians and would talk politics. He warned if they tried missionizing they wouldn't like what he said and to stick to politics. I'm very happy for everyone to promote Noachide ideology, and if there's another me inform him too, but we have points in common with them and if we focus on that here than we can not focus on our points in common, we can live in peace and help each other. There are counter missionary groups like Jews for Judaism who I love and help where it is the time and place to do this with them.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2019, 12:36:42 AM »
As for the content of the post, like them killing us isn't a problem any more.

How can you say that when a chr*stian killed Jews in Pittsburgh?
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2019, 12:45:17 AM »
but we have points in common with them and if we focus on that here than we can not focus on our points in common, we can live in peace and help each other.

I don't buy that. I don't trust chr*stians. Sorry.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 01:50:51 AM »
I only know these who want to keel jooz:
moslems, negroes, neo-nazis, and Chuck Schumer.

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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2019, 02:00:39 AM »
BTW are we talking about "christians" from StørmFrønt?
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2019, 11:08:30 AM »
How can you say that when a chr*stian killed Jews in Pittsburgh?

KKK members aren't acting out of their faith, they have a racial ideology that once fed into Nazism. Some are Xtians, but they have democrat members, plenty are atheist. As an organized effort for their faith, they aren't killing Jewish bodies.

Serbia is Xtian. Israel can have a good relationship with the nation. They should be wary of missionaries, but otherwise it is useful for us to figure out how to defeat our shared threats and harmful for us to fight while the worst of barbarians want our heads together on a spike, G-d forbid.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2019, 02:44:34 PM »
Yes, I completely agree that those that try to missionize Jews are awful, and should not be on this forum.
But I've never been missionized by any Xtians ever.... unless they had no idea I was Jewish.

I don't believe that Christians (& other gentiles) are evil for not being Jewish.   If they choose to become leftists/nazis/Muslim-lovers then yes, they are nothing but rotten evil filth.

The way I look at it, they have a golden opportunity to show they are not evil by supporting and recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, and supporting Jerusalem as the capital.




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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2019, 05:24:11 PM »
I don't buy that. I don't trust chr*stians. Sorry.

It's like a billion people. Halacha is if you have a chance to do business with a secular Jew or any idolater like that, you do it with the idolater, he's afraid of his rock or stick or rock on a stick, the secular Jew isn't afraid of anything greater.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 06:27:25 PM »
It's like a billion people. Halacha is if you have a chance to do business with a secular Jew or any idolater like that, you do it with the idolater, he's afraid of his rock or stick or rock on a stick, the secular Jew isn't afraid of anything greater.

I am happy you mentioned halacha. According to halacha it is prohibited to fraternize closely with deviant believers and apostates. 
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 02:38:11 AM »
I am happy you mentioned halacha. According to halacha it is prohibited to fraternize closely with deviant believers and apostates.

Ah, but business leisure is the most effective part of the business day. The same applies in political matters. Yeah I don't understand shooting your mouth off and having a hoot about the news here for a hundred good reasons, predominately that if we are so rare and this is so important why are you wasting my time, but being friendly and personable while working together to solve problems or improve situations, same as any job, that is the furthest thing from forbidden.

There were idolaters who would come to Israel when there was a temple and bring animals for the Kohanim to sacrifice, it's not like we beat them up, we're tasked with being great examples to follow, not heresy-hunting inquisitors.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 04:21:22 AM »
Ah, but business leisure is the most effective part of the business day. The same applies in political matters. Yeah I don't understand shooting your mouth off and having a hoot about the news here for a hundred good reasons, predominately that if we are so rare and this is so important why are you wasting my time, but being friendly and personable while working together to solve problems or improve situations, same as any job, that is the furthest thing from forbidden.

There were idolaters who would come to Israel when there was a temple and bring animals for the Kohanim to sacrifice, it's not like we beat them up, we're tasked with being great examples to follow, not heresy-hunting inquisitors.

People on this forum fraternize closely. In fact, you and I fraternize closely. You call me bro. I call you bro. If you fraternize closely with a deviant believer or an apostate, you violate halacha. This is the Torah Law for Gentiles. The Torah Law for Jews is more restrictive.

Jews are commanded to compel others to act in the correct way. There is no way to change that.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 12:34:38 PM »
People on this forum fraternize closely. In fact, you and I fraternize closely. You call me bro. I call you bro. If you fraternize closely with a deviant believer or an apostate, you violate halacha. This is the Torah Law for Gentiles. The Torah Law for Jews is more restrictive.

Jews are commanded to compel others to act in the correct way. There is no way to change that.

Bro is like buddy I say that. Maybe if there's a crew to handle a problem, fine you get into the inner circle but like a bunch of them here are useful enough to be on the squad. Sometimes I feel like an old dude hanging out with buddies moaning about woes with the convos, but most are highly functional, we didn't create a bad thing here, ask a Rabbi.

Look at how Abraham went about it.  He'd give people everything and treat them like kings without knowing a thing about them, which would definitely include not like bringing up that right away like "hey nice hat your idol sucks", then at the end he'd be like "thank G-d for what you received" and one guy would be like "the tree?" and he'd be like "c'mon bro you're way more awesome then a tree that's just funny Hashem is this..." but like he'd make the proper context and say it with the correct politeness and just would get them to keep the 7 and go on their way and live well and stop sacrificing their kids and stuff. Like if you save a city of faggots on accident like that time don't take their crap and don't talk to them, but they're like everyone from the nations have always been. These aren't malicious monsters looking to do damage, I was there, you really wanna be nice, and like from your point of view as a Catholic or whatever all the other religions are doing a bunch of crazy garbage you see is wrong, and like there's a section on Jews in your book that ensures you won't think twice and you're like yeah clearly I'm the right one, and you go around trying to be nice and nervously use apologetic or manipulation if you debate with atheists or other religions and they point out a hitch, that's like the worst thing they'll do other than these new missionaries that hunt little kids in parks. They want to be good and do what's right, yeah you have to know their religion says to convert people to their religion so they'll try to do that, but that is at worst annoying to anyone who knows anything about Torah, I can learn more in a sentence with Rashi than three years of "bible study". Like if you compile the total sum of my knowledge of all the Xtian groups I was in and studied from the height of orthodoxy with jesuits to mormons, I have double the functional information in a week of yeshiva, how can you possibly be scared of their words?

Maybe in Serbia it's different and you'll get knocked out if they know your religious beliefs, I have no idea, not trying to judge you, I'm just saying put on a bit of empathy for a second and talk to the people that muslims are trying to hunt and kill same as you with a normal level of respect, you can't blame them for what they believe, they don't have what you have. If all you gained from all the knowledge Torah is giving you to perfect yourself is that you can denigrate those that know less better, it didn't make you a tzadik, you became a rasha.

I'm obligated to tell my brother something if he did it, so for a Jew I have 613 to inform him nicely and properly if he missed [to help him up and not put him down at all] and for a Noachide I have 7. I am accomplishing something when I do that, and if I miss something, I am so happy that someone tells me, I want to be good but I am not all knowing or of 100% flawless midot. What are you hoping to gain by saying "hey u suck brah"? You want them to leave here? Just want to have an organized Noachide vs them debate B.I.R.T. you rock and they don't?

If you're trying to be like a tricky missionary and guilt them into it or whatever, I've seen it plenty, and would be interesting to watch it being done to them after the countless times I see it by them, but like do it like they do all fake nice and stuff so it's funny, what you said, all I can say is you don't need to lose your sense of humor to find Hashem.
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 01:14:10 PM »
Bro, why are you mentioning Serbia? I live in Croatia, not Serbia.

I have my reasons for being here. I do not prevent chr*stians from being here, but I do not believe that they are sincere allies. I think I have the right to say that. This is the General Discussion section, not the shut your mouth if you have a different opinion section.

When chr*stians become observant Noahides, I will have no reason to doubt the sincerity of their support.   
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Re: Is Xtianity a tool?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 01:23:35 PM »
Just for the record, all religions are full of it, including yours.

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2019, 01:33:43 PM »
Just for the record, all religions are full of it, including yours.

I do not understand this reply. Who are you writing to? Full of what? Are you an atheist?
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2019, 01:36:01 PM »
I am a secular Jew. I don't think there exists the one true religion.
I do not understand this reply. Who are you writing to? Full of what? Are you an atheist?

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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2019, 01:45:51 PM »
I am a secular Jew. I don't think there exists the one true religion.

That explains some of your previous replies. According to your profile you have been a member of JTF since 2006. I doubt I will change your mind. Nevertheless, it saddens me that I, a Gentile, believe in HaShem and you do not. Stay well.   
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