Please don't hate me for asking....

[guyNbluejeans]

All of my life, 52-years, I've only heard about wars and battles going on in the Middle East. It seems like every few months some new "peace plan" goes into effect, only to have things return to the same old hate with shooting and bombs going off. Honestly, that's all I can ever recall, just flat-out misery and hate over there.

And so, ever since I was a little kid, I always wondered why not make the Israelis an offer too good to refuse? That is, offer them this: For the next 5-years, the United States will help them load up all their precious holy buildings and artifacts onto enormous barges. We'll take every last man, woman, child and stone through the Panama Canal and go all the way up to SAFE, RICH, BEAUTIFUL ALASKA!!!

It shall be called, New Israel!!!!

It will flourish as a sovereign, democratic nation. It will become a magnificent oasis of peace and joy surrounded by trout-filled streams ... and overlooks a glorious ocean!

American tourists will bring in big bucks, there'll be hunting and fishing like few places on earth! No doubt New Israel will in a short time have some of the world's best colleges and universities ... and will become such a great nation that all those bomb- makers and baby killers that have made life hell for the Jews trying to make a go of things, will look from afar and marvel with envy at how great the Jews truly are for what they've created (when Arabs aren't killing them at every chance)!

Those hate-freaks will be left in their squalor and the Jews will be thriving in a veritable prestine paradise!!!!!!

Note: I read a while back that that Iranian scumbag has suggested something similar with the Jews moving to Alaska, but, honestly, I thought of this idea many years ago (when I could see how impossible things were). So please don't lump me with that guy, as I only would like to see a meaningful solution to the problem, versus having the same old hellish crap drag on forever ... until finally the whole place goes up in flames!

Honestly, if I was living over there and could vote on trading that place for beautiful and peaceful Alaska, I know what I'd do -- I'd jump for joy and shout, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Amighty, we're free at last!" (And then I'd pack my bags and get the show on the road!)

Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Being in Israel is a religious issue, this might seem like heaven for a secular person and a secular state, but since G-d runs the world and he commaded the Jews to do certan things- they have to do them, even if wht you are saying would be supported internationally etc. it still would turn bad because G-d runs the world and doesnt want these things to happen.

[Ultra Requete]

The first Zionists tried to establish Jewish state in Uganda, and Stalin created "Jewish Socialist Autonomic Republic" in Syberia; but the Jews can only flourish in the land G-d gave them as sign of eaternal convenant between HIM and father of Jews and all faithfull Abraham. It's a grave sin for all Israelites acording to Torah or Tanach as us christians say to give up or sell any portion of Eretz Israel to anybody; Becouse this land belongs exlusivly to G-d. And Israel is not primaly couse of ME violence; the Jews were massacred there long before 1948; like in Hebron Massacre in 1929.  

[guyNbluejeans]

Friend, being a gentile, I suppose I'm in no position to tell you what God wants for Jewish folks. But at the same time, in view of all the mayhem that's been going on over there since Israel was created, I can't help but wonder if God wouldn't mind if people use their God-given common sense and consider something else.

Fresh air, clean water and peace ... versus having to deal with those mean Arabs? Hmm it seems like such a no-brainer to me.

[newman]

Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.

[guyNbluejeans]

Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.

Look at the position this leaves us in? Is the author of the Torah around to ask a few questions of?

[Ultra Requete]

Jews must live in the Land of Israel. They cannot have sovereignty over any other land according to Torah.

Look at the position this leaves us in? Is the author of the Torah around to ask a few questions of?

The existance of Jewish nation throu 2000 years of exile in diaspora in proof thata G-d exists. No other nations manged to return to their land from all of the wolrd and regain its language and culture exept Jews; The few milions of them is defending the land against assoult of 300 milions A-rabs and bilion of muslims for 60 years; that decond proof; and finaly no nation woud survive despite having so self hating dumb and naive leaders that third and final proof. And atheism can get you banned here.

[New Yorker]

(Jacky Mason voice)

Oy! Alaska? Waddah-we look like? Eskimos? 

 

[firster555]

Hey, I'm 49 and I have heard of many other battles outside of the Middle East. The pattern though is that they are or were mostly, if not all, the result of islam or communism. Of course the ME is from islam but it did not stop there, remember a little place known as the Balkans, North Africa, etc. It is not war, yet, but look at Europe today, coming to a USA town near you. It does not matter where Israel is, or any infidels for that matter, muslims will never cease in working towards it's destruction. Also, even though Israel is a strong ally I do not think the US should be giving away any of it's land to anyone, especially a land like Alaska that is going to be of extremely significant strategic importance in the very near future.
Also, though I am also a gentile, I do understand that there are religious reasons for the state of Israel being where it is.

[guyNbluejeans]

I'm glad that no one has bitten my head off for suggesting what I suggested, but still, it just makes no sense (save for the religious obligations) as to why no one in here wouldn't jump at such an offer. It's like someone offering to trade you a brand new luxury car for a smashed up Pinto. Cooome on!

God forbid, but what if one morning you turn on your TV and see some ashen-face newscaster sobbing and saying through his tears that "Israel is no more" (as a mushroom cloud on the screen behind him roars with fire)?

In all these holy books is there any mention anywhere as to how one's thought processes should deal with practical problems?

Alaska; beautiful, beautiful Alaska......

Anyway, no disrespect intended. I guess fate is to have a role in this strange world, too, I don't know.

[Ultra Requete]

Imagine for some people the religion is more important than new cars and other shining bubles; and coincedently it will be (so I hope) the mayority of users here; rember Israelites has no real claim to the land of Israel outside Torah; and this is religius (ortodox jewish) not materialists forum; so don't be satan and don't tempt us. Thank you.

[guyNbluejeans]

Imagine for some people the religion is more important than new cars and other shining bubles; and coincedently it will be (so I hope) the mayority of users here; rember Israelites has no real claim to the land of Israel outside Torah; and this is religius (ortodox jewish) not materialists forum; so don't be satan and don't tempt us. Thank you.

Okay.

[kahaneloyalist]

Israel is our home, promised us by Hashem, we will not give it up. Consider we went there when the land was only swamps and deserts and filled with Arab colonists. Do you really think we are going to give up our homeland? The very suggestion disgusts me

[Mishmaat]

Israel is our home, promised us by Hashem, we will not give it up. Consider we went there when the land was only swamps and deserts and filled with Arab colonists. Do you really think we are going to give up our homeland? The very suggestion disgusts me

Agreed.

Your idea is ridiculous because the Muslim Arabs will not be content with having Israel as their own country. Their goal is world domination. The suicide bombings will only come to America. You don't satiate the lusts of Nazi terrorists -- you kill them.

Your idea is also sickening personally. There is only one Israel! And it flourishes despite being surrounded by hostile Arabs.

[New Yorker]

Just for fun, lets imagine for a second that a Jewish state was set up in Alaska or maybe Florida (wouldn't have to move many to Florida, they're built in lol  ). Fact of the matter is, there'd be arab terrorist attacks against any Jewish state located anywhere in the world, the very fact of the existence of a Jewish state is intolerable to the arabs. Know why? Because deep down inside, the muslims know that their religion is a sham, they know Islam and their Koran is nothing but an illegitimate bastardized plagiary of Jusaism and Christianity, and Judaism's irrefutable legitimacy reminds them of it more than any other.

[MassuhDGoodName]

GuyNbluejeans:  "...Anyway, setting aside all the religious baggage, don't you think my idea is a solid one?..."

You'd best make your "offer" to the Wetbacks currently stealing your nation, or at the very least make the offer to the dark skinned, recently freed "brothers" of another color.

We Jews only want what is OURS.

We'll vaporize the entire Middle East and everyone in it who dares to take our sacred homeland away from us again.

It is written in Scripture that the Jew is viewed by the rest of the world as having a G-d only when living as a nation in Eretz Yisrael.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...In all these holy books is there any mention anywhere as to how one's thought processes should deal with practical problems?..."

Yeah!

One day a Philistine descendant of the races of Giants which inhabited ancient Canaan showed up on the border of the Jews, and threatened to annihilate each and all, daring any Jew to come "take him on, if they so dare".

This went on for weeks.

Then David, a shepherd boy, came upon the scene, decided that the Jews had a "practical problem".

Relying only upon the G-d of the Jews for courage and bravery, and to the horror of all the grown men who were terrified by the Philistine barbarians, the little boy walked up to the gigantic drek, told him that it was now "Jewish High Noon", challenged him to a duel to decide the fate of Israel, and while the disgusting Philistine roared with laughter, the little Jew boy slung one smooth river rock with his slingshot, hitting Goliath between the eyes.

The giant crashed down to the ground, David rushed up, grabbed Goliath's gigantic and heavy sword, cut off his head and held it aloft.

The Philistines fled in terror.

We consider such behavior as "Jewish Pragmatism".

p.s.--almost forgot...Young shepherd David was annointed by a true Judge of Israel to become King.  As King, he kept Goliath's spear and armor as a "souvenier" of his victory.  Moshiach will come and reinstitute the Davidic Kingship of The World To Come.

p.s.s.-- I read this story over and over and over, but nowhere in it did the young shepherd boy David offer to negotiate "Land for Peace" with either Goliath, or the Philistine army.  I like the "Jewish ending" better than I do "your mental processes for resolving practical issues". 

[MarZutra]

Keeping an open mind and answering this question one may think that it is a good idea as was considered by the Japanese to plant a Jewish "Nation" in what is now part of China.  This in all reality will not work.  The problem essentially IS a religious one.  Islam demands ALL the World under Sharia Law or an Islamic World: Dar al Islam.  The Hadith, moreso than the Qur'an specifies the killing of Pagans (Hindus), Jews and Christians.  

Taking the Bible, both Christian, Jewish and for a laughable sake the Qur'an/Hadith as solely "Historical" knowledge.  None mention a "P-lestinian People", "West Bank" so this suggests it is more than just a religious issue but a political issue as well.  The Torah states Jerusalem over 800 times while again does the New Testament, not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an nor is "P-lestine".  Again placing this immense political fraud into perspective when one answers why the twisting of fact to politically driven fantasy the answer is simple: Socialism: Humanism: Communism: Fascism: Globalism.  All are G-dless Leftwing ineptitudes that replace G-d with man/state.

Therefore one can truly notice an immense agenda to disassociate the Judean (Jew) who believes in the Moral Laws of Judaism which are the from Judea BUT to associate Arabian/Muslims: so-called "P-alestinians" to the "West Bank".  

As a historical document the Torah lays out the borders of a Jewish State: Israel very clearly in Genesis written between 3-4k years ago.  To give you a bit of knowledge to further this sham, the first documented usage of "The Lebanon: Lebanon" IS the book of Genesis for the Northern area/border of Eretz Yisrael.  The "Lebanese" are just as much of a laughable creation as are the "P-lestinians", "Kuwaitis", "Jordanians" or Iraqis....

I agree with MassuhD on this.  The problem is that this "war" could be ended in a matter of days if Israel and America had the stones to identify the criminals and PUNNISH them.  (Communism and Islam...)imo

[judeanoncapta]

How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?

[Joe Schmo]

How about moving the Arabs to Alaska instead?

No way.  I want to move there someday.

[MarZutra]

How about Toronto or Windsor....  We have so many of them here now that the result of our upencoming elections will be the renaming of Canada, for purposes of embracing diversity, tolerance and open mindedness to Canadakstan....   Just fly into Toronto Lester B. Pearson International Airport and you'll think you've just landed in Khartoum.

[The Shadow]

I wouldn't put your idea down for a second.   You're a thinking man.  However, its actually easier to force the arabs out of Israel,  than it is to move 6 miilion Jews across the world to Alaska, to start over.  It's just not going to  happen.  Much more feasible to force the Arabs out of Israel.  And it could be done within a very short amount of time with the right leadership in place in Israel.

[kahaneloyalist]

If we Jews moved to Alaska and set up a new state that would be Imperialism, and we would be colonizing someone else's land, it would be a completely irrational project that would inevitably fail.

[Ultra Requete]

My two cent's again; Kahene loyalist is right; the left woud start call Jews imperialists and colonisers in no time agian; and this time with some merit; Alaska is already settled and not all its citisens will agree to move away or live under foreghn yoke. The Jews don't want even all lands of the promised "Eretz Israel" at once; Israel expanded only thanks to A-rab invasions and agression wars. They only want tiny piece land they're ordered to live by G-d. 

[MarZutra]

If we Jews moved to Alaska and set up a new state that would be Imperialism, and we would be colonizing someone else's land, it would be a completely irrational project that would inevitably fail.

Yes you are right.  I'd agree.  As a matter of fact. No matter how many bombings, rocketings, murders, rapes etc. that happen in Eretz Yisrael by the ancient Bolistinians one NEVER hears from any Western Media "Innocent Israelis", "Innocent Jews" or "Innocent "settlers""....  Sad... simply sad.   In all actuality, the World validates the concept of "Chosen People" with its continual focus and influencing on Israel and no other place on Earth that has far worse "Humanitarian" shamefulisms...