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Online Hrvatski Noahid

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Am I Jewish?
« on: November 01, 2020, 07:10:50 AM »
I just saw the grave of my maternal great great grandmother. There is a Star of David next to the birth year and a cross next to the death year. Does this imply that she was born a Jewess and died a Christian? Her first name was Eva, which is either a Christian name, or a Latin form of the name Hava.

I have lived as a Noahide for 11 years. Am I actually Jewish? I have no words to describe the doubts and stress I am experiencing right now.

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2020, 10:18:43 AM »
Maybe. Go to a beit din and make them do the archives. It happens alot today, 10 stories off the top of my head where people who thought they weren't Jews get into Judaism. Funniest I know an Arab in Israel wants to convert, pushes his wife to do it to and turns out shes already a Jew and he has to separate from her till they remarry.

I know I'm a Jew and still did the whole archives thing, they didn't really bother going past a family member who was a leader of the resistance in France, because the Nazis needed her to translate and she demanded to write she was a Jew even if it meant they had to do lots of paperwork all the time to keep her from being murdered. My grandmother remembers eating papers as a little girl and delivering baskets with fruits on top and papers on the bottom as a little girl. Really wanted the whole family tree but whatever they find one indisputable proof they sign and it's over, you have to pay certain genealogy societies for the whole tree.

Lol imagine you're her tikkun (repair, redemption, measure for measure correction) and Hashem really wanted to pull it off like this that the great grandson of an apostate hates what she left for. Could also mean nothing, but like worth a little investigation. Ride your emotions like a horse, it's much more comfortable than lying there while they trample you into the dirt. Hearts are valiant enough to do it. Make your brain useful to think of ways to keep you on the emotional horse instead of worries about the danger of equestrian activity.

If you are a Jew and therefore considered a child captive at birth, then if you kept the Noachide laws you were righteous in your life. Either way it's still you, maybe you can still eat your pizza, not that I can't make better with beef and hemp cheese, maybe you need to be more focused on not letting the tefillin touch the ground. Lol be happy at least your life isn't boring.
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Re: Am I Jewish?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2020, 12:19:01 PM »
Whoa! Could be!

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2020, 01:43:46 PM »
Ask an Orthodox Rabbi

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2020, 05:53:33 PM »
In the German language usually * marks the year of birth and † the year of death, for example from wikipedia:
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Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (Aussprache: [ˈniːtʃə] oder [ˈniːtsʃə][1]; * 15. Oktober 1844 in Röcken; † 25. August 1900 in Weimar) war ein deutscher klassischer Philologe und Philosoph.


Your grandmother lived in the german speaking Austro-Hungarian empire presumably. I think the simplest explanation is that the star next to her name is just a star.

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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 01:15:43 AM »
In the German language usually * marks the year of birth and † the year of death, for example from wikipedia:

Your grandmother lived in the german speaking Austro-Hungarian empire presumably. I think the simplest explanation is that the star next to her name is just a star.

I need to research this further given its extreme halakhic implications.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2020, 12:49:31 PM »
In the German language usually * marks the year of birth and † the year of death, for example from wikipedia:

Your grandmother lived in the german speaking Austro-Hungarian empire presumably. I think the simplest explanation is that the star next to her name is just a star.

Why would a star of david just be a star?  And what would it signify being there?  People put random stars on graves?

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2020, 12:53:06 PM »
Why would a star of david just be a star?  And what would it signify being there?  People put random stars on graves?

Maybe. Birth. Not that I've ever seen. Especially not a Jewish star, so worth investigation.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2020, 10:36:37 PM »
I received the following reply from my mentor, Dr. Michael Schulman:

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Dear Robert,

This may be evidence that your maternal ancestor was a born Jew. Is there another person listed on the tombstone, with the same Star of David symbol? Her husband perhaps? What was her nationality? You should search out the documentation records of this ancestor. The first place to start would be the cemetery's records, and ask about the meaning of that symbol on her tombstone. And try to find out information about her siblings and mother, including her mother's maiden name and where she is buried.

What is the name of this cemetery, and where is it located?

Please keep me updated!!
Michael
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2020, 11:01:33 PM »
I received the following reply from my mentor, Dr. Michael Schulman:

B"H

Dear Robert,

This may be evidence that your maternal ancestor was a born Jew. Is there another person listed on the tombstone, with the same Star of David symbol? Her husband perhaps? What was her nationality?
You should search out the documentation records of this ancestor. The first place to start would be the cemetery's records, and ask about the meaning of that symbol on her tombstone.
And try to find out information about her siblings and mother, including her mother's maiden name and where she is buried.

What is the name of this cemetery, and where is it located?

Please keep me updated!!
Michaelovr
He is giving ypu good advice,but perhaps you should persue this with a rav who lives closer to  you are.tell me which country you are in & perhaps I might know of a rav near you

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2020, 11:05:42 PM »
Star of David    International Symbol of Judaism.

https://www.msghn.org/usghn/symbols.html

The reasons for a cross and a star on a tomb seem to indicate one Jew when it happens: https://www.inquirer.com/philly/columnists/stu_bykofsky/stu-bykofsky-memorial-day-column-tombstone-catholic-jew-soldiers-20180525.html

Sometimes Masons put Jewish stars on their graves too, so maybe a Mason.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2020, 11:13:36 PM »
He is giving ypu good advice,but perhaps you should persue this with a rav who lives closer to  you are.tell me which country you are in & perhaps I might know of a rav near you

Note that I showed a picture of the tombstone to Dr. Schulman and he is convinced it is a Star of David. Thank you for the offer. You know I am in Croatia, but I am going through so much emotional turmoil. I'm not ready for this information. First and foremost, I need to ask that specific cemetery about the meaning of that symbol, and I will only be able to visit it again in a few months.   

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2020, 11:23:48 PM »
Note that I showed a picture of the tombstone to Dr. Schulman and he is convinced it is a Star of David. Thank you for the offer. You know I am in Croatia, but I am going through so much emotional turmoil. I'm not ready for this information. First and foremost, I need to ask that specific cemetery about the meaning of that symbol, and I will only be able to visit it again in a few months.

Every one of the masonic stars I know have other little things in them, so it's probably a Jewish star year. What emotional turmoil, try to see yourself from a neutral perspective, it's pretty cool how ironic and awesome what Hashem set up for you is.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2020, 11:30:40 PM »
Every one of the masonic stars I know have other little things in them, so it's probably a Jewish star year. What emotional turmoil, try to see yourself from a neutral perspective, it's pretty cool how ironic and awesome what Hashem set up for you is.

It's not cool to me. My Gentile identity is very important to me and I ask you to respect that. If I am a Jew, my life would be over in many important ways. 

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2020, 11:40:03 PM »
Try Chabad in Zagreb they may be able to help http://zidovi.hr/

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2020, 11:44:26 PM »
Try Chabad in Zagreb they may be able to help http://zidovi.hr/

I know the local Chabad Rabbi and met him a few times. In fact, Dr. Schulman knows him, too. But again, Hashem knows I need time.

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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2020, 12:04:10 AM »
I know the local Chabad Rabbi and met him a few times. In fact, Dr. Schulman knows him, too. But again, Hashem knows I need time.
Do what you think is best & consult with Dr, Schulman as how to proceed.

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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2020, 12:08:04 AM »
Do what you think is best & consult with Dr, Schulman as how to proceed.

Thanks, I will.

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2020, 12:58:51 AM »
It's not cool to me. My Gentile identity is very important to me and I ask you to respect that. If I am a Jew, my life would be over in many important ways.

Whatever, respect that, it's not like I'm disrespecting you. Just saying it's still you no matter what you find, just wear a cap if you don't want people to know lol. It's obviously big, but I remember a story of a major Neo-Nazi who found out too and you know sometimes it just works out. It's cute to say Hashem doesn't give you tests that you can't handle, but I've come to see that besides being the best opportunity for personal growth, the things that happen to us are frequently those that would entertain us most. Just keep your sense of humor in whatever happens and you'll be able to perceive the signs that this was set up just for you.

Maybe she was like a Catholic satanist and thought that star was for the devil and put that to show she stopped. Don't deal with situations without a few giggles or they are harder to psychologically digest.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2020, 01:07:34 AM »
Whatever, respect that, it's not like I'm disrespecting you. Just saying it's still you no matter what you find, just wear a cap if you don't want people to know lol. It's obviously big, but I remember a story of a major Neo-Nazi who found out too and you know sometimes it just works out. It's cute to say Hashem doesn't give you tests that you can't handle, but I've come to see that besides being the best opportunity for personal growth, the things that happen to us are frequently those that would entertain us most. Just keep your sense of humor in whatever happens and you'll be able to perceive the signs that this was set up just for you.

Maybe she was like a Catholic satanist and thought that star was for the devil and put that to show she stopped. Don't deal with situations without a few giggles or they are harder to psychologically digest.

I'm pretty sure you are violating some Jewish commandment or other by finding my identity crisis humorous. Please, man. Not now. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2020, 01:23:58 AM »
I'm pretty sure you are violating some Jewish commandment or other by finding my identity crisis humorous. For God's sake, man. Not now.

I find generally everything humorous. Like right now after talking to like 20 doctors and them all laughing at me, finally found a brain infection specialist that showed I had type 1 herpes in the brain which is stealing my memories and killing me. It's pretty funny because one girl said she'd kill me if I gave her a disease, she got herpes I ditched her because I didn't know I had secret ninja herpes, but it turns out the herpes was gonna beat her to it. Also like I have to wear a mask now because it makes this demon flu of pain thing that is highly contageous, and I hate the concept of wearing masks for covid, and apparently I have a 1 in 2 million problem that makes me wear one, so I'm speaking against wearing a mask for covid while wearing one. It's been a hilarious week. Especially considering I'm just letting a 10 million dollar deal I absolutely need to be there to make work run its course with the nerds and their squabbles. Try explaining you have a really, really bad flu while still not looking weak. Gotta at least mention that hockey players give up more for their flus.

If I started taking things seriously there's about thirty people I would kill, and at least five are myself. Complaining is for people that can handle more drama, and earns you more. Laugh it off while it's still enjoyable and not a last ditch effort to save your sanity.

The funniest people always have the most suffering, and laugh at it, at least when it comes to comedians. A hobo suffering on the street is not funny, the suffering crushed him. Changing your identity completely, I've rode that pony alot of times, there are lingering memories of your life and friends you can't go back to, there's the insecurity of "what do I do now", and so many other traumatic emotional experiences. You're gonna have to find a way to deal with it or those things grow and take control of your behavior G-d forbid. If you don't like me "take nothing seriously" method, then also punching water and sand helps.
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2020, 12:04:11 PM »
It may be significant or it may be just a stylistic choice of font.
Some types of asterisks have 6 spokes (or any low number almost) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk).


Why would a star of david just be a star?  And what would it signify being there?  People put random stars on graves?

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2020, 09:01:27 PM »
I decided I can't wait a few months to visit the cemetery. This confusion is tearing me apart. I will try to find a phone number and ask them to explain the meaning of the star.


 
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2020, 09:20:27 PM »
I decided I can't wait a few months to visit the cemetery. This confusion is tearing me apart. I will try to find a phone number and ask them to explain the meaning of the star.

If I am indeed a Gentile and someone thought it was a good idea to put a Jewish star on a Gentile grave, I curse him in this world and the next. Likewise, if I am a Jew and someone thought it would be a good idea to put a Gentile cross on a Jewish grave, I curse him, too.

Well like what if the dude totally like that star or like she was a total fan of Judaism but didn't want problems for her family and didn't really understand any issue with the religion so she put it. If you're really a Jew you're gonna have to watch out with those curses and only deliver them on 100% certainty of guilt and a need to curse them in order to stop them from further evil. We can't interrogate the dead to know if we should curse them in this case, unless you find her dairy or whoever put it you don't know the meaning. If you are a Jew, this isn't a joke, Hashem cares.

Not saying that every curse you make will happen, sometimes it won't happen at all like with King David's curses on his enemies, which all went on his sons and not his enemies that Hashem sent as a kindness to make him more King Davidy. Also, you don't curse ignorant people.

With the smallest bit of information I can probably get you the owner's personal cell in a few minutes...
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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2020, 09:58:26 PM »
Bull. They should have known and they were expected to know. They had just enough time to become expert in every other stupid thing in their life. I curse anyone who caused me this anguish.

This is forbidden. You accept pain with love and you only curse for the honor or work of Hashem or it's egotistical and lowering your spiritual level. For... us? We act for Hashem's honor which lowers our ego, never ours. If you're talking hundreds of years ago, they had time to spend two hours washing clothes all day. Most Jews back then didn't have access to a fraction of what Jews today do, and it was rare for gentiles to. It's not fair to condemn them without proof of anything, which you don't know in the first place.
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