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This means that in the time of Joseph the Hebrews were literate already.

Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87AKnEMAKo
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Look Joseph even built the channel that is connecting one of the greatest agricultural aereas in Egypt with the nile. Because he had to extend the agricultural area in Egypt to stock grain for the seven bad years.

To this day the Arabs in Egypt call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahr_Yussef

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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2021, 01:47:23 AM »
Wikipedia has a garbage list of "Canaanite languages".

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North Canaan

Phoenician. The main sources are Ahiram sarcophagus inscription, sarcophagus of Eshmunazar, the Tabnit sarcophagus, the Kilamuwa inscription, the Cippi of Melqart, the other Byblian royal inscriptions. For later Punic: in Plautus' play Poenulus at the beginning of the fifth act.

South Canaan

Ammonite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Ammonite people mentioned in the Bible.
Edomite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Edomite people mentioned in the Bible and Egyptian texts.
Hebrew died out as an everyday spoken language between 200 and 400 CE, but remained in continuous use by many Jews since that period, as a written language, a read language and by many people a spoken language as well. It was primarily used in liturgy, literature, and commerce well into modern times. Beginning in the late 19th century, it was revived as an everyday spoken language by Jews in Palestine and Europe as Zionism emerged as a political movement and Jews began moving to Palestine in increasing numbers, and it became the lingua franca of the growing Jewish community there. After the State of Israel was established, it became the main language of the country. Although different dialects of the language were used in earlier times, mostly it is the same Hebrew language. Hebrew is the only Canaanite language that is a living language, and the most successful example of a revived dead language.
Moabite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Moabite people mentioned in the Bible. The main sources are the Mesha Stele and El-Kerak Stela.

Other possible Canaanite languages:

Ekronite or Philistine Semitic – not to be confused with the non-Semitic (assumed Indo-European) Philistine language. The former is attested by several dozen inscriptions in Phoenician script scattered along Israel's southwest coast, in particular the Ekron Royal Dedicatory Inscription.
Ugaritic, although the inclusion of this language within Canaanite is disputed.
The Deir Alla Inscription, written in a dialect with Aramaic and South Canaanite characteristics, which is classified as Canaanite in Hetzron.



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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 02:01:32 AM »
None of the groups listed are actually Canaanite. Canaanites were Hamitic, not Semitic. The real Canaanites were the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Girgashites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Jebusites, and the Perizzites.

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Phoenician


Phoenicians were not Canaanite.

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Ammonite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Ammonite people mentioned in the Bible.

Ammonites were from Lot and his daughter. They were Semites. Perhaps they intermarried with Canaanites.

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Edomite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Edomite people mentioned in the Bible and Egyptian texts.


Edom is from Esav, also Semitic. He did intermarry.

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Hebrew

Hebrew is an Israelite language, not a Canaanite language.

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Moabite – an extinct Hebraic dialect of the Moabite people mentioned in the Bible.

See Ammon.

Other possible Canaanite languages:

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Ekronite or Philistine Semitic – not to be confused with the non-Semitic (assumed Indo-European) Philistine language. The former is attested by several dozen inscriptions in Phoenician script scattered along Israel's southwest coast, in particular the Ekron Royal Dedicatory Inscription.
Ugaritic, although the inclusion of this language within Canaanite is disputed.


These were Philistines. Philistines were Sea Peoples of Egyptian extraction.


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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2021, 03:19:12 AM »
The Egyptians called him Imhotep.

https://pathoftorah.com/2014/05/25/book-review-riddle-of-the-exodus

The book is very interesting. There is a similar theory from a non-religious scholar called David Rohl.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rohl

This would explain also the Jericho problem that this wicked Finkelstein exploits so much.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2021, 05:05:10 AM »
None of the groups listed are actually Canaanite. Canaanites were Hamitic, not Semitic. The real Canaanites were the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Girgashites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Jebusites, and the Perizzites.
 

Phoenicians were not Canaanite.

Ammonites were from Lot and his daughter. They were Semites. Perhaps they intermarried with Canaanites.
 

Edom is from Esav, also Semitic. He did intermarry.

Hebrew is an Israelite language, not a Canaanite language.

See Ammon.

Other possible Canaanite languages:
 

These were Philistines. Philistines were Sea Peoples of Egyptian extraction.

True.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2021, 03:11:18 PM »
The Egyptians called him Imhotep.

https://pathoftorah.com/2014/05/25/book-review-riddle-of-the-exodus

Does this have any connection to the "Hoteps" (black supremacist or something) of today?

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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2021, 03:59:42 PM »
The Egyptians called him Imhotep.

https://pathoftorah.com/2014/05/25/book-review-riddle-of-the-exodus

Imhotep lived too early to be Joseph. It is more likely that it was this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kheti_(vizier)

1. it fits chronologically.

2. he was certainly Asiatic, unlike Imhotep whose ethnicity is not known.

3. his name is found near the Bahr Yusef (Joseph's Waterway) around the time of its building, a canal leading from the Nile into a storage lake as water supply for too high or low Nile water threatening famine times. He was regulating the Nile water level and securing the harvest, sounds quite like Joseph.

4. Kheti is being positively described in a Papyrus written around 200 years later, about the history of Viziers, that he "impoverished his associates for the benefits of others". Joseph impoverished his elite "associates" as Vizier, as in the high elite of officials and nobles of Egypt. They gave away their complete wealth to pay for food that was needed to be stored for the long term greater good of Egypt.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2021, 01:18:34 PM »
Imhotep lived too early to be Joseph. It is more likely that it was this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kheti_(vizier)

1. it fits chronologically.

2. he was certainly Asiatic, unlike Imhotep whose ethnicity is not known.

3. his name is found near the Bahr Yusef (Joseph's Waterway) around the time of its building, a canal leading from the Nile into a storage lake as water supply for too high or low Nile water threatening famine times. He was regulating the Nile water level and securing the harvest, sounds quite like Joseph.

4. Kheti is being positively described in a Papyrus written around 200 years later, about the history of Viziers, that he "impoverished his associates for the benefits of others". Joseph impoverished his elite "associates" as Vizier, as in the high elite of officials and nobles of Egypt. They gave away their complete wealth to pay for food that was needed to be stored for the long term greater good of Egypt.

Yes Imhotep was too early. According to the chronology of the hebrew Bible the exodus has happened around 1600 bca. Imhotep lived around 2700 bca.

But the concept is right.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2021, 01:43:21 PM »
Yes Imhotep was too early. According to the chronology of the hebrew Bible the exodus has happened around 1600 bca. Imhotep lived around 2700 bca.

But the concept is right.

The Exodus happened in the middle of the 15th century (1400s), 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple in the early 10th century (900s).
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2021, 03:07:17 PM »
The Exodus happened in the middle of the 15th century (1400s), 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple in the early 10th century (900s).

According to the chronology I know:

Exodus was 1606 bce

Start of the construction of the temple was 1012 bce

You see we are close. I have noticed the more time is closing to David and Salomo the more we agree.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2021, 07:15:37 PM »
According to the chronology I know:

Exodus was 1606 bce

Start of the construction of the temple was 1012 bce

You see we are close. I have noticed the more time is closing to David and Salomo the more we agree.

Solomon started building the Temple 480 years after the Exodus:

Quote from: Book of Kings 1, Chapter 6, Verse 1
And it was in the four hundred and eightieth year after the departure of the children of Israel from Egypt, in the fourth year, in the month Ziv, which (is) the second month of Solomon's reign over Israel, that he did (begin to) build the house of the L-rd.

it happened in the early 10th century BCE, around the year 996 BCE, since it stood for 410 years:

Quote from: Babylonian Talmud, Yoma Tractate 9a
What is the meaning of that which is written: “The fear of the Lord prolongs days, but the years of the wicked will be shortened” (Proverbs 10:27)? The fear of the Lord prolongs days; that is a reference to the First Temple, which stood for four hundred and ten years and in which only eighteen High Priests served, as is written in the lists of the genealogy of the priests in the Bible.

and the Babylonians destroyed it in 586 BCE. So that would put the Exodus around the middle of the 15th century BCE, around the year 1476 BCE.
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2021, 11:43:21 PM »
Yes Imhotep was too early. According to the chronology of the hebrew Bible the exodus has happened around 1600 bca. Imhotep lived around 2700 bca.

But the concept is right.


Egyptian chronology is inflated. If you read the Riddle of the Exodus, you will see. Secular historians place the Exodus in 1280 BCE and the building of the reign of Solomon from 970-930. The Seder Olam puts the Exodus at 1313 BCE which is too late if the Temple was destroyed in 586 BCE. But the Seder Olam has missing years in the Babylonian Exile which makes the Second Temple period a lot shorter than it really was and makes the First Temple a little longer than it was. The Second Temple stood for over 500 years.


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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2021, 12:30:20 AM »
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I understand that there are also similarities
between Paleo or Proto-Hebrew and Aramaic.

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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2021, 01:04:36 AM »
If the linguists that made up the name "Canaanite languages" lived today, they would have called it "palestinian languages".


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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2021, 02:10:14 PM »
Yes Imhotep was too early. According to the chronology of the hebrew Bible the exodus has happened around 1600 bca. Imhotep lived around 2700 bca.

But the concept is right.

There is a debate about the dating of history between archaeologists (who set the dates) and many Egyptologists who did not agree to what was decided unilaterally.   

I forget the details now, but it is for this reason that for example dating of Imhotep (or historical person X) may be listed as 2700 BCE according to the official dating system, but according to Egyptologists he lived in 2000 BCE  (or whatever, I'm making up dates because I don't remember the details of how the machloket went, but there is a big dispute over the proper dating of history). 

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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2021, 06:57:09 PM »
Simcha Jacobivici put this theory forward years ago (The Naked Archaeologist show)...  Of course the secular world will never admit it.  That's why they keep insisting that the Greek alphabet (which everything is based on) comes from "phoenician".

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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2024, 12:38:14 PM »
Hebrew is an Israelite language, not a Canaanite language.

The Canaanite classification is weird. Jews are commanded to destroy the seven Canaanite nations in Deuteronomy 20:17.

The Divine Code says the Sinai revelation took place in the Hebrew year 2448 (1312 B.C.E.).
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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2024, 02:20:17 AM »
Wikipedia thinks Jews are descended from a group of Caananites. They basically claim "Jews are fake". They deny the Exodus. The evil linguists believe in the same garbage that Wikipedia believes in.


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Re: Hebrew Is the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script, Not Canaanite
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2024, 08:02:31 PM »
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  How on earth do they come up with these
  kind of ”ferkakte” concepts that are beyond
  absurd?! Thankfully, Hebrew is a beautiful
  language and that of the Jewish people.