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Re: A DOCTOR'S GRAVE WARNING FOR ISRAEL (Any thoughts?)
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2021, 09:45:48 AM »
Dr. Schulman was right. We can stop pretending he wasn't.

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2021, 10:05:03 AM »
Dr. Schulman was right. We can stop pretending he wasn't.
What did he say?

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2021, 10:13:41 AM »
What did he say?

He said the injections are known to cause a risk. 

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2021, 10:24:57 AM »
He said the injections are known to cause a risk.
Dr Zelenko is saying the same thing

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2021, 01:16:02 PM »
Dr Zelenko is saying the same thing

Zelenko = a clown

I never heard of schulman.  If he's saying the vaccine is killing people and that covid isn't, then he'll be just another clown

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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2021, 01:26:45 PM »
Zelenko = a clown

I never heard of schulman.  If he's saying the vaccine is killing people and that covid isn't, then he'll be just another clown

You heard about him. He's the "clown" who edited the shulhan aruh for Gentiles: https://asknoah.org/books/the-divine-code

I thought Jews were commanded to honor those who teach and know Torah?

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2021, 01:28:08 PM »
https://www.bitchute.com/video/iaLlZN0q8rjk/

Please do better at logic.  Zelenko obviously can't.  Most propagandists fail in this area.

He starts with an irrelevant factoid:  There's a delta outbreak even though people got vaccinated
Then he asserts that you don't need vaccines because you can treat with Zelenko's snail oil (proven in multiple trials to do absolutely nothing for covid patients).

If this snake oil was a real cure and you could just treat and save everyone with it, why would it matter that there is a delta outbreak?????????????

The existence of treatments are irrelevant to the question of whether vaccination is necessary or wise.
This is especially true in the case of fake treatments that he peddles. 
But even proven effective treatments like antibody infusions do not negate the need for vaccinations.  It's a false logic spread by a false person, pumping himself and his ideas (And nowadays, his own supplement that he sells that is supposed to substitute for a vaccine!  SCAM ARTIST). 

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 01:30:27 PM »
You heard about him. He's the "clown" who edited the shulhan aruh for Gentiles: https://asknoah.org/books/the-divine-code

I thought Jews were commanded to honor those who teach and know Torah?

No, I never heard of him before.
Did you see the first part of my sentence?    There was an if there.
If he's publicly saying ridiculous things like Zelenko does, which misleads people about their health, then no, I am under no obligation to honor him.   If...
As I said, I'm not familiar with whatever he says. 

Didn't you do this same thing with a certain rabbi?  It's like you worship titles or something.  I do not have to agree with someone or praise them if they say things that contradict Judaism, common sense, halacha, etc, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TITLE IS 

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 01:39:39 PM »
No, I never heard of him before.
Did you see the first part of my sentence?    There was an if there.
If he's publicly saying ridiculous things like Zelenko does, which misleads people about their health, then no, I am under no obligation to honor him.   If...
As I said, I'm not familiar with whatever he says. 

Didn't you do this same thing with a certain rabbi?  It's like you worship titles or something.  I do not have to agree with someone or praise them if they say things that contradict Judaism, common sense, halacha, etc, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TITLE IS

I mentioned Dr. Schulman on this forum numerous times, including to you directly. It seems you forgot about him while pretending he is not one of the greatest Torah scholars on the planet. 

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 05:12:06 PM »
Zelenko is in fact a snakeoil salesman, and in the words of the great Don Rickles, I am getting "fed up with him".

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 11:52:09 PM »
Zelenko is in fact a snakeoil salesman, and in the words of the great Don Rickles, I am getting "fed up with him".

This is the kind of attitude that drove away Israel Chai.

In this thread, Zelenko has been called a clown, a false person, a scam artist and a snakeoil salesman. Ironically, the Rabbi we all are supposed to be following said defamation is the last refuge of non thinkers. 

Also, I'm sure the Arab Nazis in Israel care if they kill vaccinated or unvaccinated Jews.

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2021, 11:56:43 PM »
I mentioned Dr. Schulman on this forum numerous times, including to you directly. It seems you forgot about him while pretending he is not one of the greatest Torah scholars on the planet.

I must have forgotten those interactions.  Even so, he could be the greatest Torah scholar in the world and still have terrible medical advice that shouldn't be listened to.

Being considered a great Torah scholar does not necessarily give someone valid opinions on all things. Rabbi Kahane was right about zionism, politics, what Israel should do, what Israeli citizens should do, etc.  Many MANY great Torah scholars were wrong and are still wrong about those things.   That's life. 

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2021, 12:36:43 AM »
Rabbi Kahane was right about zionism, politics, what Israel should do, what Israeli citizens should do, etc.  Many MANY great Torah scholars were wrong and are still wrong about those things.   That's life.

That's a false equivalence. Rabbi Kahane spoke about issues that have clear instructions in the Torah. No such instructions exist in regard to taking this specific injection.

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2021, 05:33:46 AM »
That's a false equivalence. Rabbi Kahane spoke about issues that have clear instructions in the Torah. No such instructions exist in regard to taking this specific injection.

Which is exactly why citing this individual's Torah knowledge is completely irrelevant to the question!   If his analysis is bad, his analysis is bad.  It doesn't matter what Torah he knows.

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2021, 06:06:58 AM »
Which is exactly why citing this individual's Torah knowledge is completely irrelevant to the question!   If his analysis is bad, his analysis is bad.  It doesn't matter what Torah he knows.

His opinion is backed by a board certified family physician, who has official permission to heal according to Aruh Ha'Shulhan Yoreh De'ah ch. 336. Now what?

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.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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Re: A DOCTOR'S GRAVE WARNING FOR ISRAEL (Any thoughts?)
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2021, 01:25:17 PM »
Vaccination Coercion and Living in the Land of Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzDbsc1uf5o
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2021, 03:59:01 PM »
This is the kind of attitude that drove away Israel Chai.

Attitude drove him away?

Um no.  He repeatedly spammed antivax nonsense here and was told repeatedly to stop by Chaim, and he blatantly disregarded it. 

Then he crossed the line by insulting my mother, and Chaim demanded him to apologize, and he refused to apologize and instead said "bye" and then left.

Cool revisionist history though.

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In this thread, Zelenko has been called a clown, a false person, a scam artist and a snakeoil salesman. Ironically, the Rabbi we all are supposed to be following said defamation is the last refuge of non thinkers. 

I call him that for all the false information he has spread publicly.  He chose to make himself a Covid persona.  And now he spreads medical misinformation.  It is important to dispute what he says and call him out for the harm he is causing.
I have the same language for any Covid Charlatan, whether they have the title "Orthodox Rabbi" or not.

When he is cited here as an argument from authority, it is not defamation to reply that he has no authority to opine on such matters. 
If you want me to refute specific claims of his, I can, but after a while I get tired of doing this over and over again.  At some point I don't have to keep proving how "The Reform movement is not real Judaism" at some point we accept that conclusion and call it for what it is.  That isn't defamation because it's based on actual information and facts.

Posting a 30-minute video interview of him and not making any substantive claim is an argument from authority and an assertion here (in a propagandizing manner) that you uphold this individual as an authority on the subject.  It is a commensurate response to assert otherwise.  Not defamation.

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Also, I'm sure the Arab Nazis in Israel care if they kill vaccinated or unvaccinated Jews.

LOL like this is relevant?  No one is saying to get vaccinated to impress Arabs.  That doesn't even make sense.

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2021, 05:56:27 PM »
When he is cited here as an argument from authority, it is not defamation to reply that he has no authority to opine on such matters. 

You ignored my previous reply where I cited Aruh Ha'Shulhan Yoreh De'ah ch. 336 that a board certified family physician like Zelenko does in fact have the authority to opine on such matters in the eyes of Torah Law.

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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2021, 06:06:52 PM »
Dr Zelenko is a midget and science, giant in conspiracy profiteering.

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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2021, 10:44:07 PM »
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2021, 10:48:08 PM »
Also some of you fools out there really believe that the government and pharmaceuticals have your best interests at heart?
 Yesterday it was making $$$$ off wars today's its through these shots and having society all scared of everything and everyone. They made this Plandemic to begin with. Never forget never forgive. And now these same a$$holes - Fuchi being the head of them are telling us what to do and how to live our lives.
 The real tragedy and what's scary  is the totalitarianism that all you fools keep accepting in the name of "safety"
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4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: A DOCTOR'S GRAVE WARNING FOR ISRAEL (Any thoughts?)
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2021, 12:09:25 AM »
This is the kind of attitude that drove away Israel Chai.

In this thread, Zelenko has been called a clown, a false person, a scam artist and a snakeoil salesman. Ironically, the Rabbi we all are supposed to be following said defamation is the last refuge of non thinkers. 

Also, I'm sure the Arab Nazis in Israel care if they kill vaccinated or unvaccinated Jews.
This is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.  The consensus is that the virus becomes weaker and weaker with each successive generation, not to mention that we have mass immunity now.  So this is not a question of life and death.  I have had two Pfizer shots, by the way.

So the question now becomes one of prophylaxis.

I like you, I think you are well-intentioned, but it's a bit presumptuous to pick fights with other people because you feel strongly about a type of prophylaxis...  Prophylaxis I might add that involves either medication for malaria (hydroxychloroquine), or medication that's used to treat scabies and that's given to horses to combat insect bites (ivermectin).

Also, I don't like the fact that hydroxychloroquine is becoming so widely available in Jewish communities, when it is a very dangerous drug that people routinely use to commit suicide.

The people who are behind the mass advertising in Jewish periodicals and in social media are confidence men (read: con men), plain and simple.  Their motivation is financial, and those who repeat their false claim are nothing more than useful idiots, no offence.

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Re: A DOCTOR'S GRAVE WARNING FOR ISRAEL (Any thoughts?)
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2021, 02:41:36 AM »
You ignored my previous reply where I cited Aruh Ha'Shulhan Yoreh De'ah ch. 336 that a board certified family physician like Zelenko does in fact have the authority to opine on such matters in the eyes of Torah Law.

Oh you're a Torah scholar now?   
Him being a board certified family physician does not make anything he says true!

He is certainly NOT an infectious diseases specialist.   
That wouldn't make what he says true, either, but at least it would signify that he has some kind of expertise in the subject matter.   Unfortunately for you, even in that case, his comments would still be subject to scrutiny.  The halacha does not make any individual's public claims immune from critique, even if they are a doctor, or even in a different situation if they are a specialist doctor in the relevant field (Which he is NOT)