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Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2021, 02:20:42 PM »
Are we commanded to self-rule or put foreigners over us? Are we commanded to fight wars against our enemies or not? These questions =relevant to our national identity &WADR are independent of whether we currently judge overall nation as doing the best job at holiness now. "gay parade" = copout

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2021, 07:28:13 AM »
Bennett like many previous prime ministers, want to limit the influence of haredi jews, which in turn creates a vacuum for Jews with a distorted manmade ideology to become the influence in Israel.

A Zionist should be a person who not only supports having a Jewish state but also has to behave and have laws that protect Judaism and not Hellenism.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

Offline Kahane-Was-Right BT

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2021, 07:05:28 PM »
Bennett like many previous prime ministers, want to limit the influence of haredi jews, which in turn creates a vacuum for Jews with a distorted manmade ideology to become the influence in Israel.

A Zionist should be a person who not only supports having a Jewish state but also has to behave and have laws that protect Judaism and not Hellenism.

I don't think any JTFer considers Bennett to be the model of religious zionist hashkafa.  We are Kahanists here.   So it's rather a straw man to use Bennett as a justification for a non-zionist (or anti-zionist) hashkafa.

Obviously a (religious) zionist should be protecting Judaism with the law.

But any religious Jew should also be, in addition to observing halacha, contributing to and safeguarding the nation and its survival and success.  Neither exempts from the other.

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2021, 06:09:18 AM »
I agree.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2021, 10:57:48 PM »
 :usa+israel:                                                                                                                         :fist:

I concur with many of the excellent points
made and can only say that in the final
analysis, religious Zionism is the answer and
a crucial way for the Jewish people to go in order
to be truly righteous and wholesome, ‘complete’.

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Re: non Zionist religious Jews
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2021, 08:35:42 AM »
Beautifully worded.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein