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Hrvatski Noahid:

Yehonatan repost: The "removal of the foreskin of the heart" mentioned in Deuteronomy 30, is very literally the removal of free will . That is exactly what is prophecied in Ezekiel 36:26 "And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will place inside of you, and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh. And My spirit I shall place within you and I WILL CAUSE that you shall go in My commandments and observe My laws and perform them ". Literally open two bibles and open to Deuteronomy 30 and to Ezekiel 36 and compare. This is the very same thing prophecied in Jeremiah 31. Its all the same end of day prophecy through different prophets. All your doubt, will make the fruition of these prophecies that much more sweet when we see the eternal shame that will be on the faces of you and people like you. "Nations shall see and be ashamed of all their might-they shall place a hand upon their mouth; their ears shall become deaf. They shall lick the dust as a snake, as those who crawl on the earth...of haShem our God will they be terrified, they will fear You." Micha 7. You will have no excuses when that time comes. You won't be able to tell "Hashem your God" that you didn't know or that no one told you, He will say "you didn't want to know, and I did tell you and send you people to show you, but you went after the lies of your heart and attempted to make My loyal ones stray, I am not your God, and you will drink for all of eternity the poison you wished to feed My loyal servants".

Hrvatski Noahid:
I have two questions. In chapter 10 of the book “Their Hollow Inheritance,” by Michoel Drazin, he explains that Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 mean in the Messianic Era the covenant will be “new” and different in that it will be unbreakable, owing to the tremendous Godly revelations the Jewish people will experience. If you believe this implies the removal of free will, how do we square that with the eternal and immutable nature of the Torah? Maimonides writes in Laws of Kings 12:2 that all these and similar matters cannot be definitely known by man until they occur for these matters are undefined in the prophets' words and even the wise men have no established tradition regarding these matters except their own interpretation of the verses. Would you agree this means that all discussions about the specific details regarding the Messianic age come down to speculation?

Hrvatski Noahid:
Yehonatan repost: Hello my dear brother ❤. Yes and No. On the one hand, it is well known that the Rambam did not receive or have the tradition from his rabbi's of the mystical layers of the oral and written Torah. The Ramban (Nachmonides, rav moshe ben nachman) did have this tradition from his teachers, going back from student to rabbi student to rabbi back to the Tana'im. [Just to note, the Ramban didn't have the Zohar]. The Ramban in his commentary to the verse Deuteronomy 30:6 wrote: "...This following subject is very apparent from Scripture: Since the time of Creation, man has had the power to do as he pleased, to be righteous or wicked. This [grant of free will] applies likewise to the entire Torah-period, so that people can gain merit upon choosing the good and punishment for preferring evil. But in the days of the Messiah, the choice of their [genuine] good will be natural; the heart will not desire the improper and it will have no craving whatever for it. This is the “circumcision” mentioned here, for lust and desire are the “foreskin” of the heart, and circumcision of the heart means that it will not covet or desire evil. Man will return at that time to what he was before the sin of Adam, when by his nature he did what should properly be done, and there were no conflicting desires in his will, as I have explained in Seder Bereshith (2:9). It is this which Scripture states in [the Book of] Jeremiah, "Behold, the days come, saith the Eternal, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers etc. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Eternal, I will put my Law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it." This is a reference to the annulment of the evil instinct and to the natural performance by the heart of its proper function. Therefore Jeremiah said further, "and I will be their G-d, and they shall be My people; and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying: ‘Know the Eternal;’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them." Now, it is known that "the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth" (Genesis 8:21) and it is necessary to instruct them, but at that time it will not be necessary to instruct them [to avoid evil] for their evil instinct will then be completely abolished. And so it is declared by Ezekiel, "A new heart will I also give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will cause you to walk in My statutes". The new heart alludes to man’s nature, and the [new] spirit to the desire and will. It is this which our Rabbis have said (Talmud Tractate Shabbat page 151) on the verse “And the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say: ‘I have no desire in them’ (Ecclesiastes 12:1) "these are the days of the Messiah, as they will offer opportunity neither for merit nor for guilt,” for in the days of the Messiah there will be no [evil] desire in man but he will naturally perform the proper deeds and therefore there will be neither merit nor guilt in them, for merit and guilt are dependent upon desire." On the other hand, even knowing these concepts and accepting them as true, does not mean we have any clue what this experience would actually be like first hand, and in that sense, (i think) the Rambam is also right.

Hrvatski Noahid:
Yehonatan repost: To add onto what the Ramban wrote, we have the tradition on the verse Deut 10:16 "remove the foreskin of your hearts" that one of the names of the Evil Inclination is "ערלה" foreskin, and that the meaning of this verse means to overcome/subjugate or uproot the evil inclination from within us, because listening to that voice is as if idolatry and not the voice of Hashem. And so if in Deut 30 it says that at that time "Hashem (Himself) will circumsize your hearts to love and serve Him with all your heart and soul" it would seem to imply the uprooting of all evil and any desires not in line with desiring God, from existence, which might explain why at that time everyone will live forever,

Hrvatski Noahid:
Yehonatan repost: And so if in Deut 30 it says that at that time "Hashem (Himself) will circumsize your hearts to love and serve Him with all your heart and soul" it would seem to imply the uprooting of all evil and any desires not in line with desiring just God, from existence, which might explain why at that time everyone will live forever,


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