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ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« on: August 21, 2007, 01:33:12 PM »
See and compare where ALL the 2008 candidates stand on your right to self sefense.

http://gunowners.org/pres08/


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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 08:42:28 PM »
I know where the all of the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand on my right to get shot anywhere in this country at anytime by anyone.

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 08:43:54 PM »
I know where the all of the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand on my right to get shot anywhere in this country at anytime by anyone.

It's about your right to defend yourself, half-wit.

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 08:50:55 PM »
I know where the all of the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand on my right to get shot anywhere in this country at anytime by anyone.
Gun laws only take guns away from the law abiding. The evil people that will shoot an innocent person will still get guns through illegal means.
He who overlooks one crime invites the commission of another.        Syrus.

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 09:05:54 PM »
Tell me, do you own a gun, and, if so, how do you store it in your home?

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 09:07:18 PM »
Tell me, do you own a gun, and, if so, how do you store it in your home?

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2007, 02:54:35 PM »
Actually self defense while being a good idea behind owning a gun wasn't the specific purpose for the 2nd amendment, rather it was to keep the government in check as we had just fought a war. The 2nd amendment was put in place in the event we would ever have to overthrow a tyrannical government. Our founding fathers knew that we needed the same fire power as our military at that time, so we should use the 2nd amendment in modern terms. American citizens should be able to have the same weapons that can be carried as our military. We are all members of the militia.

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2007, 04:05:28 PM »
I know where the all of the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand on my right to get shot anywhere in this country at anytime by anyone.

It's about your right to defend yourself, half-wit.

Is this the guy that supports Obama for President?

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2007, 07:59:11 PM »
I know where the all of the 2008 Presidential Candidates stand on my right to get shot anywhere in this country at anytime by anyone.

It's about your right to defend yourself, half-wit.

Is this the guy that supports Obama for President?

He's a typical insane, idiot liberal so I guess so.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2007, 08:44:05 AM »
The second amendment should be modified to make every white person who is not a commied liberal armed, no guns for muzzies, blacks, hispanics and insane people. That would work. I believe that that is what the founders of this country meant. They did not see what a circus this country would become and the dangers that would incurr with the arming of slaves, excuse me, ex slaves.

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 09:23:53 AM »
The second amendment should be modified to make every white person who is not a commied liberal armed, no guns for muzzies, blacks, hispanics and insane people. That would work. I believe that that is what the founders of this country meant. They did not see what a circus this country would become and the dangers that would incurr with the arming of slaves, excuse me, ex slaves.

Gee that works well considering Gun Control originally had racist roots to begin with, by the way, this latest bill NRA supported would technically bar me from possessing a gun (Bipolar) as well as military vets with PTSD. I oppose all forms of gun control simply because it can be used against anyone for any reason. Criminals will always obtain them illegally.

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 10:06:01 AM »
I have doubts about people that have Bipolar or PTSD are mentally ill. OJ is mentally ill and whom the courts have deemed to be insane are mentally ill. As far as gun laws being racist, I have no idea what you are talking about. When the 2nd amendment was added to the Constitution the founding fathers had a specific idea on who should have guns. There should be severe laws against anyone who commits a crime with a gun, I don't care who it is. If the gun was purchased illegally that should be dealt with so severely that we will never have to worry about the culprit ever again. If anyone is caught selling a gun illegally he should recieve a severe punishment and after that he and his whole family should be exiled to africa or a muslim hellhole.

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 10:37:52 AM »
I have doubts about people that have Bipolar or PTSD are mentally ill. OJ is mentally ill and whom the courts have deemed to be insane are mentally ill. As far as gun laws being racist, I have no idea what you are talking about. When the 2nd amendment was added to the Constitution the founding fathers had a specific idea on who should have guns. There should be severe laws against anyone who commits a crime with a gun, I don't care who it is. If the gun was purchased illegally that should be dealt with so severely that we will never have to worry about the culprit ever again. If anyone is caught selling a gun illegally he should recieve a severe punishment and after that he and his whole family should be exiled to africa or a muslim hellhole.

My father was bipolar and owned guns, however he was insane, literally insane. I don't want to go into my family details, point is, the police raided our home and confiscated his guns and it didn't make him any less dangerous. Heck he was able to get them illegally despite being prohibited anyways.

The constitution is clear in who it names as being able to bear arms.

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Tucker writes of the English Bill of Rights:

    The bill of rights, 1 W. and M, says Mr. Blackstone, (Vol. 1 p. 143), secures to the subjects of England the right of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree. In the construction of these game laws it seems to be held, that no person who is not qualified according to law to kill game, hath any right to keep a gun in his house. Now, as no person, (except the game-keeper of a lord or lady of a manor) is admitted to be qualified to kill game, unless he has 100l. per annum, &c. it follows that no others can keep a gun for their defence; so that the whole nation are completely disarmed, and left at the mercy of the government, under the pretext of preserving the breed of hares and partridges, for the exclusive use of the independent country gentlemen. In America we may reasonably hope that the people will never cease to regard the right of keeping and bearing arms as the surest pledge of their liberty.

Tucker also wrote of the British,

    True it is, their bill of rights seems at first view to counteract this policy: but the right of bearing arms is confined to Protestants, and the words suitable to their condition and degree, have been interpreted to authorise the prohibition of keeping a gun or other engine for the destruction of game, to any farmer, or inferior tradesman, or other person not qualified to kill game. So that not one man in five hundred can keep a gun in his house without being subject to a penalty.



In regards to who can bear arms, well Hitler did that in Germany and look what happened to 12 million people who were slaughtered? Gun Control has racist roots and has been used throughout history to exterminate the people. The Soviet Union did it, China did it (Mao?), Turkey did it, and many others to follow.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson Papers (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

 

"They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania..

 

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (1781-1785).

 

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

 

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." -Thomas Jefferson.

 

"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison.

 

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.

 

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..." -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

 

"...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them." -Thomas Paine.

 

"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322.

 

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

 

"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380.

 

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8.

 

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun. -Patrick Henry.

 

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -Patrick Henry

 

"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).

 

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

 

"...the people have a right to keep and bear arms." -Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.

 

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

 

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

 

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age..." -Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code. (see http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/)

 

"The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646.

 

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).

 

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government..."-Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28).

 

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1989

 

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States...Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America." -gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.

 

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." -Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888).

 

"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." -Martin Luther King Jr., June 23, 1963. Speech in Detroit.

 

Statements of The Enemies of Liberty:

"Government begins at the end of the gun barrel." - Chairman Mao

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms." --V.I. Lenin.

"If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves." --Joseph Stalin.

"We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns." - Jose Cerada, (White House official who specializes in gun control policy), The Los Angeles Times

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

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Re: ALL the candidates on the 2nd Amendment:
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2007, 10:44:39 AM »
Tell me, do you own a gun, and, if so, how do you store it in your home?

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2007, 10:47:36 AM »
I keep my guns loaded as well. What goods a gun against a criminal if it's not loaded?

"Excuse me sir while I load my weapon". I guess you could chug the damn thing at him -_-