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Rhuan:
Having seen your last post, I must ask, why are you a muslim? It makes no sense.
MarZutra:
The sad thing people do not understand is the basic pillar of Islam is in total agreement to what Davkakach dictated above. The stated desire of the Quraanic teachings is for one day: Dar Al Islam. That said Davkakach has every right and logic behind his words, even if direct and not "politically correct". By the acceptance into an ideology like Islam, or Communism for that matter dictates War. History has emphatically shown this under Yahuda ha Maccabee and Marzutra II in Babylonia. It is funny how history tends to repeat itself: Utopian/Globalist beliefs. Dar Al Islam vs Dar Al Harb....perpetual war...game...set....match...poof
sat_chit_anand:
--- Quote from: Aisha on November 25, 2006, 03:49:57 PM ---That is what the BNP yearns for.....
and i am not an immigrant. Which makes me different from most of my community.
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No, but you are a racial and cultural foreigner. Of course, you are a British citizen... and have all the rights of a British citizen, but...
If I had been born in China it would not make me Chinese. Jews have lived in many countries but they have always been Jewish.
--- Quote from: Aisha on November 25, 2006, 03:49:57 PM ---is that really why nick griffiths keeps getting arrested for making racial comments on muslims?really vulgar ones
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You may think that what he says is vulgar, but his comments are a response to the extremist interpretation of Islam which is being tolerated by many British muslims.
Also, Griffin has said nothing which has not already been said in the mainstream press.
I do not like the language that he or the press use; I believe that one must respect an ideology before rejecting it, and I am not sure that Griffin has done that.
However, Griffin is a politician who wants people to vote for him and he is trying to warn British people about the dangers of Islamic extremism and this is why he uses the language he uses.
I wish that the debate was a little bit more highbrow, but there is another thing...
British law forbids criticism of people with respect to their race, but not their religion. This is why the BNP makes such a fuss about Islam, because it is the only foreign influence in Britain that the party can really talk about freely.
It looks as though Islam is being singled out, it is, but not by the BNP.
Islam has been singled out by the law.
One can also criticise Christianity as much as one likes in Britain.
The regime is MULTI-RACIAL. The final objective is a mixed-race, easily-governed atheist docile populace who will vote for for money and materialism, not for God, a higher purpose, or anything else.
That is why 'racial discrimination' is taken more seriously by the Labour Party etc.
The Labour Party is an evil, anti-human, atheistic party.
Look at the history of communism and see for yourself. The Labour Party is chock-full of Communists, Trotskyites and Leninists.
Charles Clarke and John Reid are former members of the Communist Party. These are our Secretaries of State! We should all be disgusted by this!
--- Quote from: Aisha on November 25, 2006, 03:49:57 PM ---The feeling is mutual but the thing is what about muslims whos homelands are britain... it causes problems
thank u ..... u made a lot of sense, even though it tears me.
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Yes, I am so sorry, but this is how it is. You must not be led into believing falsehoods.
There are many British people who live in Africa.
They are living all over Africa, running businesses, often farms. Some of them are fourth of fifth generation 'Africans' and they mostly do not want to 'return' to a country which has little prospects for them, even when times are tough.
However, some of them have returned, even fouth and fifth generation British people have returned. So, yes, it is problematic, but possible.
If Britain's economy suddenly failed, many immigrants would not hestitate to leave to a more prosperous country, and for many, I believe that would be their native homeland or perhaps another liberal capitalist country.
This is John Tyndall of the old British National Front: (from before you were born, the 1970s)
I think that you can see in his argument and logic that there is a case against multiculturalism. You have to understand that we are not at war with immigrants but the ideology of multiculturalism itself. This is a problem with the British Establishment. We, the British people are not to blame, 'the Jews' are not to blame, even Islamic extremists are not to blame. The problem is the British State and nationalists are trying to put this right.
The National Front collapsed in on itself because of anti-Semitism and attacks by the British security services.
This is the current BNP -
Nick Griffin on Sky News:
Nationalist politics are not only about race and culture, there is also a question of values. In fact, there has to be a question of values, otherwise there is nothing worth fighting for.
Nationalists are generally committed to the principles of self-help and self-sufficiency. This contrasts quite strongly with Britain's current deviation away from the Christian (protestant) values and ideals it was founded upon and, of course, the way our economy works and our current foreign policy.
At the end of the day, none of this is ideal, this world is mostly a cheap, cruel and brutal place.
You can find sadness, even horror, in the ordinary day-to-day events, but it can be made better and this is why we search for truth.
Somewhere along the line, your ancestors lost their old religion and they were converted to Islam. Perhaps even by force. Perhaps they were Christian or pagan before this happened. We, in Britain, were pagan before the Christians came.
I am not so keen on Christianity or Islam because they are a bit too aggressive for me. They seek to spread themselves. In fact, if i were to choose, I would probably choose Judaism, if I had to choose between the three.
These are my final thoughts for now:
To my mind, Islamic regimes need to be secularised and replaced with secular nationalism. Libya is a reasonably successful example of this. British foreign policy could be employed to encourage this and I hope that in the future it will be, under a responsible nationalist government.
Regards,
Sat.
MarZutra:
--- Quote from: Sarah on November 25, 2006, 05:13:24 PM ---rhaun...it makes sense. In my community there is no question to whether murder is right...we believe that life is sacred..
u r saying it makes no sense, it is the terrorists that make no sense.
the five pillars of islam that i have been taught are marzutra:
shahada- declaration of faith
sawm- fasting ramadan
salah- praying five times a day to G-d
zakat- giving charity to poor
Hajj- pilgramige to makah
where is dar al islam?.....huh which one is it....if me and 1000s of muslims have been taught the about 5 then where does the rest of the world get its facts from?confusion ???
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To live under Islam and follow Islam's customs are one things but understanding the goals, directives and ambitions of Islam as per Mohammed's own words and DEEDS are wholely another. Please go ask your Imam what is the meant by Dar Al Islam, Dar Al Harb, Dhimmi, Kuffar etc. but mainly ask him if the end goal of the faith of Islam is Dar Al Islam. Don't tell him that I asked, just ask yourself. If you are honest he will be honest with you....then perhaps you might say....that guy knows his stuff.... Islam is DEATH pure and simple......like a heard of Cows heading for slaughter....all follow their leaders without the slightest intentions in knowing where they are going...
davkakach:
--- Quote from: Sarah on November 25, 2006, 05:13:24 PM ---rhaun...it makes sense. In my community there is no question to whether murder is right...we believe that life is sacred..
u r saying it makes no sense, it is the terrorists that make no sense.
the five pillars of islam that i have been taught are marzutra:
shahada- declaration of faith
sawm- fasting ramadan
salah- praying five times a day to G-d
zakat- giving charity to poor
Hajj- pilgramige to makah
where is dar al islam?.....huh which one is it....if me and 1000s of muslims have been taught the about 5 then where does the rest of the world get its facts from?confusion ???
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Little girl, you can ignore jihad, but the jihad continues, and has continued unabated for the last 1400 years. Did you know that Muslims killed between 60-70 million Hindus? Did you hear about the Armenian genocide, in which 2 million Armenias were slaughtered by Turkish jihadists? Did you know that the Berber pirates that terrorized and exacted tribute from the fledgling United States in the 1800s were Muslims? Did you know that Muhammad (piss be upon him and his followers) managed to wipe out all kuffar from the Arabian peninsula in his lifetime?
What is Dar al Islam? Currently, it is only Iran. The other Muslim nations, including Saudi Arabia, are ruled by hypocritical secular Western-puppet dictators, who are despised by their subjects. The Arab street worships figures like Bin Laden, Zawahiri, Ahmedinejad and Nasrallah, who are true Muslims.
Your zealous co-religionists will not hesitate to blow you and other Western Muslims up to attain their political objectives, as part of their jihad against the mushrikun. In the religion of submission, the end justifies the means.
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