The Worldwide Crisis of Islam > The Truth About Islam
Wow...
Mike?:
--- Quote from: Rhuan on October 23, 2006, 08:20:47 PM ---It was a long time ago, about 600AD, however, a key belief of Muslims is that the quran is the final word of G-d, that there is a copy on earth and a copy in heaven and they are one and the same, therefore, either a Muslim believes that these verses apply to him today, or he is not a Muslim.
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This is their religious text, written , like you said about 600AD. In that time there were many wars or racial/religious conflicts, as in that time rulers were often religious ones. But besides those verses in the Qur'an, there is much more that ordinary Muslim people follow. Can't you except that just because it was written in a time that is very unlike ours, and by people of different mindset, that it is not completely evil. When Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan, did they not slaughter and burn every city in their path? It was in the Bible, and in mine they have a little excerpt, stating why this was acceptable, and it argued that the time difference was a key to understanding this. Just because It is in their scripture means that it is an evil book? I think not
Rhuan:
Nowhere in the bible does it give a general command to kill all non-believers, the conficts in the bible are always specific cases, in the quran on the other hand, the orders are general rather than specific, they are general commands to kill or convert all non-believers. And they belive that this is the final word of Allah.
kahaneloyalist:
--- Quote from: Mike? on October 23, 2006, 08:10:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rhuan on October 23, 2006, 08:06:07 PM ---To understand why we say that Islam is evil, read some of the quran (the following link eads to a muslim website with the quran sorted by topic for convenience): http://islamicity.com/mosque/TOPICI.HTM
If you want to understand quite why we say it's a world crisis, look at the figures (84 were killed by muslims today): http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html
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I just wish people with views such as your could only look at the Islamic world in a different way
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The reason Jews view Muslims as we do is we lived with them and under them for thirteen hundred years of hell on earth. We did not learn about Muslims/Arabs from a seminar at whatever University you've gone too but through first hand experience and what Al Queda does is what Muslims/Arabs have always done and will always do so long as they follow their ideology of death.
Let me put Islam into perspective according to the UN there are currently 30 world conflicts going on, of those thirty 28 involve Muslims.
--- Quote from: Mike? on October 23, 2006, 08:27:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rhuan on October 23, 2006, 08:20:47 PM ---It was a long time ago, about 600AD, however, a key belief of Muslims is that the quran is the final word of G-d, that there is a copy on earth and a copy in heaven and they are one and the same, therefore, either a Muslim believes that these verses apply to him today, or he is not a Muslim.
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This is their religious text, written , like you said about 600AD. In that time there were many wars or racial/religious conflicts, as in that time rulers were often religious ones. But besides those verses in the Qur'an, there is much more that ordinary Muslim people follow. Can't you except that just because it was written in a time that is very unlike ours, and by people of different mindset, that it is not completely evil. When Joshua led the Israelites into Canaan, did they not slaughter and burn every city in their path? It was in the Bible, and in mine they have a little excerpt, stating why this was acceptable, and it argued that the time difference was a key to understanding this. Just because It is in their scripture means that it is an evil book? I think not
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The difference is that Muslims have never stopped murdering and destroying everything in their path. Besides which the Torah is from Hashem and eternal it is as applicable today as when it was revealed and yes that includes the rules of war. There are specific times and places to be merciless as the Ramban says: "For it is through the mercy of fools that all justice is lost". For example when a Goyish nation wages war against the Jewish people it is a great Mitzvah to wipe them out that is and will always be true. But in Judaism there is no obligation to forcibly convert all non-believers like in Islam.
Mike?:
--- Quote from: Rhuan on October 23, 2006, 08:31:02 PM ---Nowhere in the bible does it give a general command to kill all non-believers, the conficts in the bible are always specific cases, in the quran on the other hand, the orders are general rather than specific, they are general commands to kill or convert all non-believers. And they belive that this is the final word of Allah.
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I beleive it is commanded in the Ban to kill all survivors, women and children in a city, burn possesions,live stock, everything...
cjd:
--- Quote from: Rhuan on October 23, 2006, 08:31:02 PM ---Nowhere in the bible does it give a general command to kill all non-believers, the conficts in the bible are always specific cases, in the quran on the other hand, the orders are general rather than specific, they are general commands to kill or convert all non-believers. And they belive that this is the final word of Allah.
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Exactly and for vast majority of Muslims follow this to the letter!!
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