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Should male-female interdancing be banned?
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 10:55:50 PM ---You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
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What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
Daniel:
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 10:59:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 10:55:50 PM ---You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
--- End quote ---
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
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Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
kellymaureen:
No banning 'so you think you can dance'.....leave me ONE guilty pleasure ;)
Erica:
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 11, 2007, 11:12:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 10:59:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 10:55:50 PM ---You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
--- End quote ---
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
--- End quote ---
Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
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Thank you for explaining it to me, Daniel. It shouldn't be 'crazy' to me but it was confusing because that's not the way I was brought up. I can respect Jewish people practicing shomer negia, but I hope no one really imposes that onto those who aren't Jewish.
I LOVE the Kosher High Five thing though. lol It sounds like a funny running joke. :)
Daniel:
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 11:23:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 11, 2007, 11:12:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 10:59:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 10:55:50 PM ---You shouldn't even dance with your wife in public. You can only kiss or hug your wife in private.
--- End quote ---
What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
That's one of the best parts of being married, on our end. I get to hold my husband's hand, hug him, and kiss him in public..I'm not embarrassed to show how much I love him to others. (NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH... a couple's sexual intimacy (sex, in general) should be done behind their closed doors. That should be no one else's business.
--- End quote ---
Erica, you need to understand the concept of "shomer negia" which means careful touching. Religious Jews believe that it is wrong and inappropriate to even shake hands with someone of the opposite gender. I was in an organization where the staff were religious and shomer negia. Whenever everyone danced, the guys and the ladies needed to dance in separate circles. Whenever we put our arms around each other to sway back and forth to the songs, we needed to do so separately. At one shabbaton, my friend naively put his arm around one of the female staff members while we were swaying to a song. At the point, the lady turned around and said, "Uhhmm, there's a problem here." My friend and I were both confused and we then had this concept explained to us and about how everyone in the organization practiced this. I was surprised and befuddled about this. At that point, I recognized that the guys and girls always danced and swayed separately from each other, but never understood why. When this situation happened, I finally understood what was going on. I later learned more about the concept and the rationale behind it. There is a belief that even if you touch someone of the opposite sex, it has the potential of creating an uncontrollable urge which can eventually lead to having sex with the person. So the rules of touching are very strictly enforced by those who observe this. In this organization (called JPSY - Jewish Public School Youth), they staff had an ongoing gag where a guy and girl would scream out, "Kosher high five!", they would go to move their hands towards in other in the movement of making a high five, but then deliberately miss each others' hands.
So this concept being expressed here isn't some crazy idea thought up of Yacov or anyone else on here. It's a common practice of religious Jews. I don't personally agree or subscribe to this. But I do understand it and respect it, just as long as others don't try to impose this belief on me.
--- End quote ---
Thank you for explaining it to me, Daniel. It shouldn't be 'crazy' to me but it was confusing because that's not the way I was brought up. I can respect Jewish people practicing shomer negia, but I hope no one really imposes that onto those who aren't Jewish.
I LOVE the Kosher High Five thing though. lol It sounds like a funny running joke. :)
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You're quite welcome. The kosher high five is pretty funny. The first time I saw it, I laughed at how funny it was and at the same time growled with frustration :)
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