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Should male-female interdancing be banned?
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 10:55:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: dannycookie57 on October 11, 2007, 09:51:29 PM ---I mean, I'm not a big fan of the Mekhitza even in religious weddings...but it is what it is...
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I don't think there should be separate tables at religious weddings but I do think there should be a mechitza for the dancing. But I have seen men on the right seats and women on the left seats at the actual wedding ceremony. There is no mechitza there. After the couple are in the yichud room (Where they can touch and be alone for the first time.), everyone then goes to their tables. At some weddings, the tables are mixed, and at some they are separate. But all religious weddings have separate dancing. But I was at one that had separate dancing at first and then they removed the mechitza later on but even then, there weren't really traditional partner dancing. It was just the men and women in the same place. But there is an issue of seeing women while they are dancing. It could arouse men. At my synagogue on Simchat Torah, they put up a screen over the mechitza so we couldn't see the women dancing. But during prayer, there doesn't need to be a screen because it is okay to see women while praying if they are dressed modestly. The prohibition is only to mix with them during the praying. Of course you still shouldn't stare at the women's section. I admit though that I like to look into the women's section at times.
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I mean, I can understand all that...I get it...
But it's not for me...I don't like it..it's too strict.
Dr. Dan:
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 11, 2007, 10:57:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 10:50:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on October 11, 2007, 10:34:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 11, 2007, 10:25:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on October 11, 2007, 10:11:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 09:59:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: klch_eug_yarstj on October 11, 2007, 09:39:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 09:02:54 PM ---Should it?
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What is interdancing?
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Any dance where two people are dancing together. That is just crazy to me, by the way, to ban dancing with a partner. Its DANCING.
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You really have no understanding of morality or Jewish customs. Having contact with other women, besides one of your own family, is wrong. A husband or even an unmarried man should not be dancing with strange women. And if he's married he should only be dancing with his wife or daughter.
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Yes, a man should only dance with his strange wife ;)
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Do you ever contribute anything meaningful? Why don't you and Erica go find a nice anti-semetic, liberal forum?
All you and Erica ever do is oppose the Jews of JTF. Why are you two hear if you're against this movement?
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I don't appreciate being called anti-semetic, which, from what I've heard of it means one who has desdain for Jewish people. I DON'T HATE Jewish people, ANd I'm sure that Daniel dosen't either...he knows more about the Jewish religion than I do. You must be hateful though, right? If no one is hating around you, you crab, they MUST be against you or your religion (if not both). I can't help that you can't agree to disagree.
>>> ANd what IF one's wife is 'strange'..should he dance with her just to keep up appearances? This is both a serious question and a query made in jest.
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Thanks Erica. You're right, I'm not antisemitic. But according to some posters here. I must be a self-hating Jew. But I think that term is fallacious. If anything, I'm an "other"-hating Jew. And even the term hate, I object to. I don't hate myself and don't hate other Jews whom I happen to disagree with. I'm a self-loving Jew and an other-disagreeing Jew with those I happen to disagree with.
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You're a self-loving Jew like me :)
Erica:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on October 11, 2007, 11:50:28 PM ---Erica marriage isnt about showing yourself to other people in public. Thats soo foolish. Also marriage shouldnt be all about recieving you need to be willing to give unconditionally.
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Its not even about that. Hugging and kissing your Significant other shouldn't be seen as X rated in this society. If its what you practice in your religion...do so freely but don't bash those who don't have a problem with it. my husband and I kiss and hug each other in front of our daughters as well. We also talk to each other like human beings. When they see that, they get an idea of what a great, harmonious relationship is about. We have an equal amount of giving and recieving in our marriage. I give respect, my husband gets it in return... I give love, my husband gives love in return. Part of loving your spouse, outside of religion is showing them how much they mean to you even if its with a kiss, a hug, holding hands or telling them 'I love you' in public as well as privately.
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 11:46:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Erica on October 11, 2007, 10:59:59 PM ---What? That's wild! But wait, if you can't dance with your wife in public (you do know public could mean a public function) why bring her out? If you can't kiss or hug her in public, what's the point of them being married?
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So a wife's role in public is solely for the man to kiss and dance her? Don't women have any rights of their own?
And you ask what's the point of marriage if can't do that. Have you ever heard of sex and kissing behind closed doors? If you're not married, you could never do any of the above things, not even behind closed door.
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Sex and kissing aren't always synonymous, Yacov. I can kiss my husband without being aroused. And he can also. Especially when he's going on a trip or something and we're in an airport terminal. I'm not going to hide that I'll miss my husband by not giving him a kiss or hug because someone'll be looking at us. FOR SHAME!
I'm married, so I can't speak on not being married... but I think it is the right of both the woman and man in the relationship to hold hands, kiss or hug if they want to in public. Do I think women have no rights at all ? I never said that. I would hope that if a man wants to hold his wife's hand that the woman would at least say...No, I don't want to ...we're in public. I have no objections to that at all.
Erica:
--- Quote from: Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim on October 11, 2007, 11:59:52 PM ---It's wrong to dance with aunts, nieces, and cousins.
I didn't even want to shake my cousin's hand because she was too attractive.
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So its a self control issue. You do know that a lot of times you dont' have to touch a person to feel physically attracted to them, right? Your eyes and brain are just as much as an errogenous zone as your hands.
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