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Daniel:

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There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

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What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

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What is this business with labeling everything as being "liberal" when basic decency doesn't have anything to do with political affiliation. There are people on the far left who speak the same way about Jews. Then when I correct them in the same way, then all of a sudden, I'm thinking and speaking like a "Zionist." People on both extreme sides always need someone to scapegoat and name call.

Daniel:

--- Quote from: lou13ss on October 14, 2007, 04:34:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 14, 2007, 04:25:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: lou13ss on October 14, 2007, 04:23:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: Daniel on October 14, 2007, 04:17:04 PM ---
There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

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What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

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Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?

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Blacks have traditionally been very anti-Semitic, so why should I fight for the rights of a person who will turn around and fight against me?
Blacks will fight for Black rights and thats fine, but as a Jew I feel no need to fight for the rights of someone who will use those rights to fight against me.

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There's a big difference between not fighting for someone's rights and going out of your way to bad mouth them with the most inflammatory language possible. Nobody is saying we need to fight for their rights. But why engage in this type of language which does nothing except to make us look really bad?

Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

Daniel:

--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on October 14, 2007, 08:47:48 PM ---danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

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There's a big difference between comparing a monkey to a gorilla and comparing humans to humans. Who are we to complain so incessantly about antisemitism when we engage in the same exact type of behavior towards other people. If we treat other people this way, then we have no right to complain when they treat us in the same way. Otherwise, we're engaging in double standards. Wasn't it Rabbi Hillel who said, "What is hateful to you, do not do unto others?" What? Was he just referring to the Jews when he said this?

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

Eliezer Ben Avraham:

--- Quote from: Daniel on October 14, 2007, 08:55:27 PM ---
Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

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See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.

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